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Nursing vs. Engineering
Good luck to you! I hope you can find something that can fulfil your needs.
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What is your opinion of people who go into nursing for the money?
I have always thought that nursing today, has been more prestigious today, than it has been in the best. Your response made me laugh.
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What is your opinion of people who go into nursing for the money?
Hi everyone, what is your opinion about people who go into nursing, medicine or other prestigious health care profession for the money? For me personally, I used to think it was really wrong of people to go into medicine or nursing mainly for money. That opinion has changed significantly when I see other people around me get accepted into nursing or medicine. I think I used to judge others for doing so, but the answer can be more complicated than that. Competency and intentions are not necessarily align to a moral ideal...and I don't think it will ever need to be, unless I am proven wrong. I personally don't think it matters if you go into nursing for the money or the "right reasons". But really, what matters, despite your intentions, is how well you are able to do your job and act in your job. Competency is the number one concern (soft skills included). The other aspects of what other people's intentions are....do not matter in the long run. Especially in areas of terrible economic shape, being able to earn decent money and security is definitely a good thing. I used to be in nursing school, and I know a couple of people who are in it and not for "right reasons". One person was in it, because after applying for jobs, he was unable to acquire one in his previous field after immigrating. Another one is doing it because all her other family members are in medical field, though she genuinely likes the study of health science....And unfortunately, one other classmate is in it because she wanted to meet a doctor to pursue romantically (no idea if this was a joke or not, but she was having issues with her current partner and living arrangements). For me, when I entered... I seriously thought it was something I would like. I liked many aspects of it, but I didn't like it enough to re-apply again. Many people say I am caring (though it feels like a death sentence because people perceive "very caring" = "naive, easily persuaded and worst of all, stupid"). And while the money was an appeal, if I am honest with you, I will admit having decent money is also a drive. I don't ever want to be a person who has to rely on another person for money (ie. women who are in abusive situations and are afraid to opt out because of lack of financial resources). Socioeconomic class and health status do have correlations. I don't think I would have attempt nursing if I felt like I wouldn't care about others at all. But there is also another driving factor, and a reason why I still want to make really good money. Money is important to me, so I am able to pay for my brother's college education. But also, my parents are insanely neglectful of their health. Both of them are diabetics and require tools for management. I need to know that I am able to pay for their tools, if for whatever reason, they don't have enough money to support themselves. I need to know I am able to provide for them, as they have for me. When someone's life is in your hands, their ability to preserve life is more important than their intentions. I don't think clients truly care why nurse x is a nurse. They just care if they are able to meet their needs. So, what is your opinion?
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Nursing vs. Engineering
Can I ask you, why you feel the way you feel? I apologize to the OP in advance if this information is too vague. My brother completed his 1st year in nursing, but he has dropped out and has applied for engineering. He most likely will get admitted to the college, though I am not sure how well he will fare out for his aim of becoming a civil engineer. But I will say this: for him, personally, he really ended up not liking nursing at all. He was unhappy there, found clinicals to be too demanding. Didn't like the fact that he'll be cleaning up people's fecal matter, bathing people and found the schooling to be unreasonable. So while he is not studying engineering, this is part of his perspective in nursing. Having said that... it is really hard to say, what the turnout will be. And how much you would like a profession, until you've at least tried it out (at least the schooling). Have you shadowed any engineers? It might be worth looking into. My sister and I did a really funny thing for kicks, once. We went to a career fair at our university. We pretended to be engineering majors, and said that we were close to graduation. We had quite a few business cards given to us, and were recommended to apply for their positions. It was fun, we got a lot of pens and pads that day. I guess what I am saying is: Engineering is in demand, and I don't think you will deal with people being angry at you nearly as much as you will have to in nursing. Sick people will scream and yell at you, even though it is not your fault. With engineering, the hours are more typical.
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What is your input on other health professions & injury?
First of all, thank you for those who gave me feedback! This is not a marked homework, this is for my own awareness, as I am looking for other fields of health care I may like. I did try to look up on google, but I may have selected the wrong search entries.
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A question for those who have been fired?
It might be up to the person to decide. and to answer the question, "Despite my x issue, can I still do it?" I had a similar problem, where there were people (not everyone) tell me that nursing isn't for me. All of them ended up being half-right, but the ones ended up telling me that I couldn't do it, won. They did not say it out of cruelty, but rather, did not advise it because they felt it was not a good fit. Sometimes, the self needs to find out for himself or herself. I still don't regret finding out the hard way...I'd do it again, too. Otherwise, I would have been more depressed for at least not attempting. As long as one knows the sacrifices to answer the question.
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A question for those who have been fired?
Sometimes the answers aren't always that simple. And sometimes people go through huge denial about their patterns before they are able to accept it enough to seek help. It isn't clear cut.
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A question for those who have been fired?
I'm glad you are on your way to a better place of work. Being fired... it happens. And I guess people deal with it different ways, but at least you aren't alone. When I was fired, the waterworks wouldn't stop...which made it all the more humiliating. But I did picked myself back up enough and found a better job; this happened in my teen years. Certain work places are just demoralizing .. sometimes being forced to end things open up a new opportunity that, you eventually found out to be better. Then you wonder why you were crazy enough to even have worked for the previous place that fired you.
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Nursing students...I can't believe...
People who become LPNs... and tell their friends or other friends that they are LPNs in training. Some of the responses are as folllows: "Why don't you go do a four year degree?" *look of disapproval* "Why are you aiming so low? You can do better." People who acquire 4 year degree in nursing (or be a nurse in general): "Why didn't you become a doctor?" "Well, I've heard...it is...better to become... a nurse than a...doctor." *hesitant & pitiful look* *Angry tone* "JESUS! it's not that hard to become a nurse, they just fluff pillows all day." What bugs me... is that, why should someone be perceived as any less if they aim for LPN, or didn't get RN the first try? Or better yet... What if they just wanted LPN alone? The big advantage to getting an LPN degree is that it is only a 2 year commitment, it is a good way to test waters (even becoming a CNA may also give a good idea of some of the nursing knowledge). And less tuition. I am not sure why there is such a stigma (still today) for being a nurse. I remember my mom wasn't very happy when my cousin become a nurse, and perceived her to be the less smarter than my pharmacist -in -training cousin (who used to get her dad to do a lot of homework for her in high school for most, I kid you not, plus the admission methods were different). Which.. I'm thinking is not true. I think is just starting to change... I hope there will be significant decreased in sitgma. Maybe because nurses are a female dominated profession? I don't know. But those kind of dialogues drive me crazy...people, until you go through nursing school. Don't assume you know what it's like.
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What is your input on other health professions & injury?
Hi everyone. I was wondering if I could get your input on this topic. It is a well known fact that nurses are at a higher risk for back injury, I was wondering what other health professions have higher risk for bodily injury? My questions to you are: 1) If nurses have a high risk of injury, what are the top places injured (ex. 77% back, 10% shoulders)? Those statistics were simply made up. 2) What are the top reasons for a nurse to be injured? (ie. unpredictable patient is #1 or lifting #2)? Proper body mechanics aside...? Since you are also around doctors, how often are doctors prone to back injury? I don't think it's nearly as much as a nurse, but certainly, they do a lot of physical tasks (especially for those working in hospitals). What are other health care professions that have high risk injuries (aside from nursing)? So far I've heard of the following (in no particular ranking): a) Sonographers, Radiologists, MRI people (A tech group cluster in healthcare) b) CNAs, Paramedics (most healthcare professions in the very front lines)
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Is it possible to be a fit nurse?
:yeah:Congrats on the loss!
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A question for those who have been fired?
Aww, I am really sorry to hear that. Could it be some sort of a learning problem? I know being anxious, depressed and lacking in confidence won't help. In fact, it is a perpetuating cycle. I am in a similar state. I would kind of have to agree with the Delana, who said that maybe going into nursing at the present moment may not be a good idea. It isn't to say that you can't do it, but I am suggesting it isn't a good idea until you work out your root issues. Because, what if you got accepted into nursing? And then failed the labs, or the most important forms of work, you could ever make a mistake on? You can end up getting fired in the future, being pulled out by instructors and be spoken to in public or they say your performance isn't adequate enough and require to discontinue? If that happens... a lot of time and tuition goes out the window; and what would make it worse if you have horrible instructors. Not to mention the fact that... the self esteem will decrease, because if this happens, you will think and look back at all the other times you've been fired. This can't be good for anyone's self esteem. I say this... because I wish no ever should go through what I went through. I've also been fired once but felt on the verge of being fired on multiple occasions. In my case, I still have really great (now former) instructors that were support despite having to discontinue me. I consider myself lucky for having supportive people and parents who allot me the money. For me personally, my biggest regret was not time or tuition wasted. And I don't regret finding out if I could do it or not, but what I regret most was the aftermath. My confidence in anything, relevant to money and job performance, is beyond shattered to the point where sending out resumes... I find to be an extremely scary and anxiety-inducing tasks. And I consider myself lucky, too... I do not wish this on anyone that is undeserving of it. Especially those that may have unfortunate circumstances by nature (ie. having a disorder like auditory processing problems) or having a poor family life.
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Nursing students...I can't believe...
Hi OP, not to disagree or agree. I am very unsure what conclusions to make and some of the stuff I already thought about, has been said. But it sounds to me that a lot of students who seem to look down on floor nursing, may not truly be looking down at the job itself. But what goes on in the floors (ie. treatments, stress levels, multiple types of stressors...).
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I hate nursing school! ~rant~
"This is what we did in class this week: They gave us a word and told us that we have to make a rhyme, song, or poem to go with it. Yeah." Not to trivialize your problems with the school, but that's quite funny. Are you able to give the school evaluations midway? I know some schools have them, where they take an hour to discuss the issues they've been having with the school and / or other concerns.
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Differences: Nursing then and now...
The one thing that was discussed, was the methods in which they trained nurses to lift patients. Today, we have something called TLR (Transferring, Lifting, Repositioning) certifications to say a nurse is qualified to be physically able to move patients in a safe manner. Patients are suppose to be called clients... The newer generation will most likely have less back problems.
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The graceful boot and career guidance...
My apologies for any writing errors.
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The graceful boot and career guidance...
Btw, has anyone ever heard of Alan Watts? "Life is like a music composition, we are suppose to sing along or dance while the music is being played." -Alan Watts My brother is in year 2 of nursing school for BSN, he's going to make decent money if he graduates. As of the moment, he has complained about it and contemplated quitting. He kind of got into a fight with my mom (she pays for our education and she's not happy with him). He applied to nursing school in pursuit of the money; it seems to be backfiring on him. Not to mention, he never really had a caring personality to begin with. I noticed that he went through similar stages of people hating nursing: 1) "This isn't so bad, I don't mind nursing but I don't like it." 2) "I can go into nurse practitioner; then I won't put up with x crap." 3) "I don't like this, I wished I was in a different field but I already put a lot of effort." Basically, I noticed he's rationalizing things. Right now, I am in a tough situation. None of my siblings are happy with their fields... why? My parents have pushed each one of them (and me) to go into health science for the job security and money. Though, I think I may have been the only one who has expressed an intrinsic motivation to pursue health science (my sister thinks I merely have just convinced myself). My brother is at the highest risk for burnout, he didn't think it through when he applied for nursing school and did it to imitate another sibling. And now is wanting to quit. Despite whatever happens, I want to be able to make good money for a couple of reasons. I want to be able to pay my parents back the money they've invested in me, or express it by paying for my younger brother's education and I want to make sure that my parents, well into old age, can adequately access drugs required and be comfortable. I worry about them a lot. My parents drive me crazy because they never do anything healthy for themselves and neglect themselves; to be honest, is also one of the reasons I am scared of moving out. My mom and dad does awful things, they may be adults, but I get controlling of them every time I get worried. I get angry at them, and say things like "Mom, why didn't you take a taxi while your car is being towed?" (She'd rather walk in cold weather than pay for a taxi ride, park ways away from a mall in dead winter than to pay 2 dollars for parking). I mean seriously, if she'd get pnemnonia, she would be paying bigger bucks. Other issues I've been having is that my mom is constantly opening my letters, taking care of the paperwork without my knowledge and only telling me to sign papers after she opened them. Issue after issue after issue. She still tries and clean my room... which really wastes more time. My room is my personal space and I function better in it somewhat messy (am not like this with more public areas of a house nor in my homework organization). When she "organizes" and "cleans up" (I am clean, just messy in my own room), I spend more time looking for items. I hate it when she does chores for me, and then complains about how I am lazy. I am also figuring out ways to move out. She digs through my purses, constantly takes important cards out of my wallet for "safekeeping" and rearrange important items, rendering me confused. Then when I ask her about it, it was because I was "messy" and lost things even though she changed placement spots. My dad had a bursted vein in the eye. It was red and looked serious... he didn't even want to go to the doctor. GRR. What really stinks is that they are still telling me what to do; I am 20. I take better care of myself than they do of themselves, why do they get to tell me what to do when they can't even model healthy habits? Anyway, I just had to get this off my chest. Life is hard. As of this moment, I'd rather be in debt knowing I have sound and not so dysfunctional family (parents and siblings). If you've read through this, I seriously thank you in advance and I appreciate any input.
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The graceful boot and career guidance...
Hi everyone! I was just wondering what everyone's opinions are regarding money and career opportunity as well as people chugging through the financial difficulties; other challenges also include social well-being and happiness. I was kicked out of nursing school (not for misconduct, excess partying or lack of hard work) but for other reasons I am not planning to discuss yet. My feelings switch between: relief, mostly depression, fear, acceptance. What I wanted to know is how do people get through paying for their education and asserting independence? Right now, my parents are paying for my education. As insane as my parents are, my parents love me and I love them too (and I am in the process of executing plan B by working with counselors to get issues sorted out and then telling my parents I got kicked out but still present them with a back up plan). Even if they are upset, I know they will eventually get over it. I've been crying a lot lately. How do I deal with the guilt of having my education pay for? Right now, I am trying to figure out a way to pay for my own expenses (all of it, not just some) and education, even though my parents insist. But I also lack the confidence to do so (working with counsellors atm). The culture I grew up in, adult children can live with their parents and is seen as socially acceptable. I loved a lot of the instructors at my school, and I respect them. Still do. I don't like some of the policies though. Still don't. (Ie. one student was hospitalized and when she returned, she had to be on a learning contract. Which is a bit harsh, IMHO. And ironic, in a field where nurses are seen as empathetic or compassionate, I felt the school should be more compassionate to her situation while she was recovering.) So to all you people who have grown wisdom by experience or you are just generally intelligent, what advice do you give for people in emerging adulthood who is struggling to find a career? In my personal case, I am not an average student. I have been getting contradicting results on exams (regarding my abilities). I score a good aptitude for math, but then I failed math in high school. People tell me I am good in English, but then I get poor scores on essays and deemed to have reading comprehension problems. My cousellor is looking into it. My brain is one hot mess.
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concern about nursing
Hello! The integumentary system is a good one to know... Um...things so far that have been taught in A&P: 3 types of muscle, cell types (squamous, goblet, columnar), muscle locations (femural, soleus), also sutures in the head, and the inside of an empty skull bones (ie. occipital areas), homeostasis, bone (ie. normal bone versus ones with osteoporesis and know that Calcium salts). I hope this this, but every curriculum will vary. Youtube, in my experience, has some great videos too.
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Good at Theory, Trouble with Clinical/Lab
My heart goes out to you and more, I had a very similar experience and am no longer able to continue. My advice to prevent you from ending up like me? I'd make sure that you find some way to get the performance anxiety under control - perhaps through letting other peers you trust watch you, and then slowly work your way up. I also have social anxiety, in fact, pretty much identical to your story minus a learning contract. But I think a good option for you to consider is to go on medications temporarily (med is just a tool) and slowly work your confidence levels up. It won't be easy, but it will prevent heartbreak.
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I hate nursing school! ~rant~
Really sorry about your situation... Hmm... Is there anyway you can talk to your other peers, and as a group, make these issues known to the instructor or whoever is in charge of running the program?