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Was this program posted on the website ever? I am shocked it exists I never even saw it.

Not discouraging...encouraging....you arent facing the toughest challenge. You WILL get in somewhere....don't worry about that part.

Take your Zyprexa. Thanks.

Higher education is about patient care...not about dotting Is and crissing Ts Let me reference: Sx (suction), AOx3, c with a line over it....heck if I reference every nurse grammar shortcut I'd be Bill Gates.

Congrats...these stats are affirming my case. Theres 3 million RNs in this country and if 10% are APRNs do the math....thats a tons of APRN nurses. I am not suggesting every RN pursue masters heck half the RNs i know could care less but perhaps BSN for everyone? Gasp....shudder to think we could raise the standard.

Sometimes, getting a BSN, MSN etc will protect your job, keep you relevant etc. Would someone with a BS in Accounting or Finance rest on their laurels? no. Why would a nurse stop at an associates degree. "A degree does not "keep you relevant" YOU keep you relevant. The longer time away from graduation, the more similar the demands between the degrees as things move fast and getting faster every day." Ask a CRNA or Midwive what they can do when they go back to school for a few years...also as a Nurse Practitioner whose scope of practice includes prescribing priveledges...how their jobs change when they go beyond RN. See my point isn't to fan the flames of the "education doesnt matter" ADNs nor to push old nurses out of practice (heck if the economy were still cranking we'd need every solitary RN available)...it was to say evolve or become irrelevant. Like it or not this is social darwinism in the workplace and nursing isn't immune.

Your rhetoric indicates your indeed in the category of the people that would purport to make be a bazillionaire.

With some sort of fortitude, the "older nurses" would have gone back to school for MSN or beyond and be away from the bedside as a masters prepared nurse or better yet, AT the bedside. Not for nothing but, if I had a dime for every ADN nurse who refused to go back to school and just wanted to work forever and collect a check without acknowledging that nursing is like every other vertical I'd be a bazillionaire. Sometimes, getting a BSN, MSN etc will protect your job, keep you relevant etc. Would someone with a BS in Accounting or Finance rest on their laurels? no. Why would a nurse stop at an associates degree. Things change...evidence based practice didn't exist 30 yrs ago....why would a 30 yr "veteran" nurse not want to adapt. This is NOT directed at those that have...however floor nursing isnt something that is meant to be for people in their 60s/70s. Realistically, like it or not - expecting....heck, feeling entitled to work into your 60s/70s is a massive assumption.

I can confirm this after meeting with USAF, Army, Navy recruiters - all of them before graduation. They pretty much don't want new grads and the ones they take don't get nearly the incentives they used to get. For example the Navy used to offer 20-30k sign bonus now only 10k (and the recruiter said that may even go away). After taxes 7k is one months wages at some hospitals. If you do look military get some experience first.

Unemployment is common unfortunately...or thousands of applicants for hundreds of new graduate residency program positions.

Theres a rumor that there are thousands of applicants for a few hundred spots. This program is almost like applying to the California lottery lol.

Ok so, our primary care doctors (MASSIVE SHORTAGE) PAs or nurse practitioners can handle #1 (wait NPs ARE RNS), pharmacologic care? (i suppose you dont know about infusion nurses?)... If you are in denial that home health - the ultimate realm of the RN is not going to grow then god bless you. The doctors can't go into homes and provide skilled nursing care and the unlicensed personnel aren't qualified. Whos going to do it? I am so so frustrated with all the people who discount the importance nursing will play when fully 20% or more of the population becomes geriatric. Its astonishing.

In case your unaware, there is a system called Medicaid - pays $50 billion in claims in NY and $20+ billion in California. Sure reimbursements may be cut and cut again, but what sense does it make for lets say, an ER to take no reimbursement? They will take Medicaid over nothing. They will take the patients who need care with private insurance, with Medicare and Medicaid. The hard numbers don't lie...its not speculation - older nurses will have to leave the profession. The point here which you missed entirely is the mass exodus from nursing won't occur as the baby boomers retire - that ship sailed with the great recession. The poor baby boomers (not sarcasm - seriously how happy can one be when they wanted to retire and their investments tanked) will have to work until they are physically unable, or pass away. This is in all areas of employment. Half the greeters I see at Walmart these days are elderly for example! Read this HARD DATA from HRSA: "Average age of RNs climbed to 46.8 years, the highest average age since the first comparable report was published in 1980. Just over 41 percent of RNs were 50 years of age or older (33 percent in 2000 and 25 percent in 1980). Only 8 percent of RNs were under the age of 30, compared with 25 percent in 1980." This data is from 2004...albeit a little old. I digress seriously 41% of RNs at that time were 51 or older and 8% of RNs were under 30.....thats insane. These people didnt get younger up until 2011...people can discount whats coming, but its coming nonetheless. We arent vampires and there is no immortality in this life.

No disrespect at all meant here...just a joke. However I digress....theres precious few verticals in the business world where people can work into their 60s and 70s like nursing. Its one of the things that attracts people to the career...that being said there has to be some point where someone has to retire for physical reasons (arthritis, back, chronic disease pick your poison). Those who have put it off and are still physically able god bless them..theres no reason to fault someone for working!

This is all true...I am a data guy. The data simply doesnt support a sustainable "overabundance" of nurses. Quite the contrary...a RADICAL/awful shortage is looming large. Its not going to be funny. Check out the birth rate last 100 years: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005067.html The people that came back to work as RNs because of the economy like you said dont want to work...they were forced to work. I have heard several of these nurses complain recently about hating their jobs and wanting to retire stat. They will all push the eject button as soon as they can....or they will code/pass away on the job they will get so old lol....no one can work forever. The median age of RNs is too damn high lol just like the rent. Something is going to give and soon. Please stop with the RN schools "pumping out" new grads...they are getting 1/3 of what they need to care for the amount of old people we will have. Unfortunately everyone is looking to hospital jobs but the greatest growth area will be outpatient care, LTC and home health, the later being huge - deal with it. The military is supremely selective these days...it would be easier to get into a hospital based on the standards the military has. You will be screened based on BSN, height/weight, amount of experience (almost not branches take someone right out of school), background check, etc. Right now the Army Reserve for example, is full for the year.

In and out of a ABSN and passed NCLEX. The BIG challenge is finding the first job trust me.

I am a recent, employed, male new grad...you catch more bees with honey than infighting really. As far as accepting lower wages for orientation - I don't agree with that at all. People constantly use the terminology that RN schools are "pumping out new grads" at allnurses.com. Do a macro level evaluation about the post WW2 population boom and you will see if we "pumped out" double or triple what we are now, it still wouldn't nearly account for the nurses that will soon either retire or code on the job lol (sorry, but some people don't retire and don't want to/can't afford to). The generations X and Y won't nearly fund social security....what makes anyone think there isn't a scary shortage looming. This one won't be like minor shortages of the past, but much, much worse. In the future they will have to hire far more unlicensed assistive personnel and RNs will be hired to delegate more and more care. Unless nursing educators magically become high paid and more RNs go in that direction, there simply isn't the ability to "pump out" more new grads. I have also seen several threads about so many new nursing schools opening, but I know a lot that have closed down. Not to mention, with hospitals essentially shutting out ADN grads these days, how long before ADN becomes irrelevant and everyone wants a BSN? Not saying it could happen, but that it essentially is happening now de facto. Finally, how long until new grads of recent years give up on nursing completely and just work in another industry, never to return (I know several of these). How long until people looking at nursing school wake up and realize that OT, PT, PA, OD, even MD are far better for job security these days - at least for a recent grad.

How can you people seriously encourage someone to kick unemployment in this economy? If they want to know why you were cut loose just say cutbacks...whats the difference. btw - "That said, because of laws regarding defamation (which is slander or libel) companies are usually careful about what information they provide to hiring managers confirming employment or checking references. What they say has to be the truth or the company can be subject to a lawsuit from the former employee. Legally, they can say anything that is factual and accurate. Concern about lawsuits is why most employers only confirm dates of employment, your position, and salary."

I'd worry more about employment picture with an ADN right now. Locking down 1+ yrs in critical care is no cakewalk. They usually won't take ER...they want solid ICU experience infusing vaso-active medications. This isnt something that is easy to get as a new graduate, yet alone at all once a nurse with experience.

Thanks : ) I hope more people take a good, solid look at home health! Hospital jobs aren't growing. Another area of growth is Hospice....for obvious reasons. People are living longer but there is a big population in the baby boomers that will need long term care, home care, and palliative care etc.

I am a new graduate nurse. After I passed NCLEX, I applied to roughly 300 jobs....no callbacks. To be honest, rather than waste my time looking for the elusive hospital floor position, I feel rather liberated. I have decided to work two part time jobs in Home Health - the growth area for nursing. One is contract and one offers benefits...best of both worlds. Same money, fewer politics. Given recent realities and perusing this board for a while, I really think that rather than me knocking down the hospital doors, I DONT WANT a hospital job. I dont want them and they dont want me its mutual lol. I want to work in Home Health, where the sense of freedom is great! Also, once I have a few years experience and I am no longer a new graduate, I am planning to become a legal nurse consultant. In my mind, law suits are only going to increase. I dont want NP, CRNA, and I dont want to pay a college tuition again, especially not a for profit school. I'm done at BSN-->home health-->CLNC. This circumvents the new grad dilemma and creates same career opporunities, more freedom, and I feel evolved for thinking this way. I feel a great 500lb monkey has been lifted off my back. Comments? positive or negative : )

Getting into Critical Care directly out of RN school is VERY tough these days....not impossible, but be ready to be patient that could take months after you graduate. Only way to get an "in" is to CNA or precept on a floor before graduation....even then its tough.

This mentality of waiting on a CC waitlist for 2-4 years then getting an ASN/ADN really cracks me up. I left CA and got a BSN through a private school out of state, and even if it was 70k like someone said, all those years on the waitlist plus then only having an associates seems silly. If I get out 3 yrs faster and I have a BSN I am at a competitive advantage and time is $ Lets say the 3 years is 60k per year for a working RN....so your telling me the cheap tuition supercedes 180K (!!!) in income that the ADN nurse didnt make in those 3 years? Fuzzy math. Think about it for a second.