FNP2B

ok im not trying 2 start a flame war here ........but i am currently a student going for my rn, and the conversation in this forum makes it sound like why even be an rn, when you could be an lpn/lvn,why go to 3-4 more years of school to get your bsn(degree) when you could go to 10mo-1yr of school and get your lpn/lvn (non-degree) and hold the same responsibilities clinincally (writing orders, pushing meds) the same responsibilities administratively( unit director,don, adon,charge nurse). what i have read from this forum is that lpn/lvn's can fill all of these shoes. the vibe is why even hire rn's when you could pay an lpn/lvn considerably less to do the same exact duties???!!! next we will have the line between cna and lpn/lvn blurring, then the line between rn and md's blurring. all joking aside..there is a reason that to become an rn you have to have as much as 4x the education as lpn/lvn's, not saing rn's are better just more educated. i think that cna/lpn/lvn's are a vital part of the healthcare system but there is a distinct difference and distance between rn and cna/lpn/lvn's. imho never forget................... "its never to late to be what you might have been"

quote: originally posted by uk_nurse i dont think many nurses are in it for the cash..........pay is dreadful especially here in the uk. it is most definately not easy money i asure you. sorry to hear that uk nurse...maybe you need to move to the us...the pay is great here...my wife is a 22yr old rn here in tx. and has been a nurse for a little over a year and is already making 52k a year. and she only works six days out of every 2 weeks. and i say again she has just started..she is going for her masters next fall. so ..i would have to disagree with you on the area of pay.....$52,000 anually for a 22yr old female is not bad money. the average income per capita here in the city that we live in is somthing like 21k a year and we live in a very large city...about 2 million in population...so yes i belive nurses are well compensated here. and the advanced practicing nurses here(msn) are making a little over 75k a year, so for about 2 more yrs of school almost a $25k return+more with experience..count me in! rn,msn,np= $$$,$$$ "it's never to late to be what you might have been"

sorry to hear that uk nurse...maybe you need to move to the us...the pay is great here...my wife is a 22yr old rn here in tx. and has been a nurse for a little over a year and is already making 52k a year. and she only works six days out of every 2 weeks. and i say again she has just started..she is going for her masters next fall. so ..i would have to disagree with you on the area of pay.....$52,000 anually for a 22yr old female is not bad money. the average income per capita here in the city that we live in is somthing like 21k a year and we live in a very large city...about 2 million in population...so yes i belive nurses are well compensated here. and the advanced practicing nurses here(msn) are making a little over 75k a year, so for about 2 more yrs of school almost a $25k return+more with experience..count me in!rn,msn,np= $$$,$$$ "it's never to late to be what you might have been"

"its never to late to be what you might have been"

i have some ? in regard to salary for CRNA's?

hello adamsmom.......i think if you want to persue a nursing career there is no testing the waters(lpn). the previous post referred to become an lpn first and i agree every situation is different, but if you have the opportunity, go for the gold(rn). i ask why waste time and money only going a 1/4 of the way(lpn). if you have the ability to go for your rn, like nike said (just do it). you are not getting any younger. by the way if you go to the lpn boards they are going to tell you lpn is the way to go. but remember adamsmom......."its never to late to be what you might have been (rn)"

ok.....here we go...age has become a factor all of a sudden...like i said before and i will repeat it.....angela mac (notice the highlighted name) every one is entitled to an opinion:stone ......but your insecurity leaks through more and more with every thread.....enough said.and angela mac remember, "it's never to late to be what you might have been"

i have to agree with lpn2b2004, ....close this thread....this is getting ridiculous...angela mac to say one would rather have an lpn caring for them than an rn:stone ...you were joking right. i know it comes down to a matter of opinion...but that is one ridiculous opinion. and for angela mac to have the nerve to refer to rn's as pencil pushers....this thread is becoming a joke...its becoming a lpn vent thread...but i guess this is the only place( and other forums) were you think your opinion matters. because away from this thread(in the real world) rn's are still going to make more money( and to say an lpn with the same exp. as an rn should or does make the same is a huge joke..and you wont find anyone laughing accept lpn's wishing it were true) rn's have more education (no matter if its a diploma, adn, bsn, or msn, and if a lpn tries to say they have just as much education..again that will work in these forums..but not in the real world), and last but not least society will look at someone with their rn as a bigger accomplishment( and it is). i have said it before and i will say it again. rn's are not better than lpn's, but they are more educated, rn's are not superior to lpn's, but they are on a higher rung in reference to the business ladder, look lpn's its not you against the world....its you against yourselves..if you are an lpn be proud...but your insecurity leaks through when you try to bash rn's. close this crazy thread already!!!!!! "it's never to late to be what you might have been"

lvn=1 1/2 yrs of school (with preqs):stone rn,bsn=4 yrs of school (with preqs) want more money? the question shouldnt be asked , "got milk?"..................but"got education?" more education=more $$$$ "it's never to late to be what you might have been"

example: the bsn rn who throws temper tantrums like a child at the nurses station regardless of how serious the situation is or who may be listening. what message does that send to the rest of the staff that is "below" your level? you don't always have to be liked because you may need to make some unpopular decisions at times, but if you are not at least respected and on some level admired for your years of hard work in school, what are you really worth?[/quote] 50-60k anually!!!!!!:rotfl: "it's never to late to be what you might have been"

AMEN, RN4NICU!

i also believe that everyone is important, but i believe in levels of importance. the lpn that just changed the sheets for a patient is not as important (notice i said not as..they are still important) as the md that has to go into the family room to tell the family that the patient that the lpn has just changed the sheets for has just been diagnosed with malignant cancer. it also falls into the level of responsibility. i have said this before and i will say it again. rn's are not paid considerably more than lpn's because society has it out for lpn's. it is simply due to the fact that rn's have a greater level of education than lpn's and they have a greater level of responsibility than lpn's, so in reflection they are of greater importance...(not saying that lpn's are not important because they are and if you want to be technical so are the cafeteria personnel) every one in a hospitial is important. from the janitor to the ceo of the hospital, there are just different levels of importance. "its never to let to be what you might have been"

good point LPN2B......but lest we forget old mother nature.....the lower you are on the food chain the more crap you have to put up with. If a zebra is tired of been hounded by lions. that zebra should pray for rencarnation:stone and if CNA's and LPN's are tired of all the crap and tired of being hounded by RN's then they should strive for rencarnation (education). "The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary"

I have to respond to this post:stone .....every position that a hospitial employs is vital. but think with me LVN=...maybe...1 1/2 yrs of school (with preqs) where as RN, BSN=4 yrs of school (with preqs) so you do the math...work harder, learn more= more $$$

thank you for your reply rn4nicu, the reason why my statement is so heartfelt is the simple truth that i live in a very big state(TX) and the starting pay for LPN's in my area is anywhere from 12-14$/hr which comes to out to about 32-33K/yr. Where as the starting pay for an RN is 46-47K/yr. My wife is an NICU RN and she works 80/hr every 2 weeks with 1 yr experience and she is already making 23-24$/hr which comes out to about 46-47k/yr and she has truly just started. there is an LPN on her floor that is making 17-18$/hr which comes out to about 36-37k/yr but she has 35/yr worth of experience. My wife also works with RN's on her floor that have been RN's for 30+ yrs. and are making about 29-30$/hr which comes out to about 59-60/k yr. so my dispute was not the fact that LPN's are making as much as RN's here because they are not. but i was just curious with my original posting about some new LPN grad posting which i thought were false numbers.:stone but i have been wrong before. and NP's in my area are starting off at 63/k yr. Notice i said starting off....an NP with 10+yr can make well over that of what an experinced RN makes. if you go to the link below you will find that NP (specialty) make 75K+ a year here in TX.http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layoutscripts/swzl_compresult.asp?zipcode=&metrocode=153&statecode=TX&state=Texas&metro=San+Antonio&city=&geo=San+Antonio%2C+TX&jobtitle=Nurse+Practitioner+-+Specialty+Care&search=&narrowdesc=Healthcare+--+Nursing&narrowcode=HC05&r=salswz_swzttsbtn_psr&p=&s=salary&geocode=&jobcode=HC07000181