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You might have read the comments posted on allnurses about the accelerated BSN/MSN program at Pace's New York campus, particularly what transpired in fall of 2009. Believe what you read. I was there Pace is a disgrace. Disorganized, arrogant, and merciless administrators. Dismal facilities. The nursing lab was a joke. Equipment that was broken or out of date, or just not there. The Pace University library in New York is below par with any of the CUNY schools When the students approached the Dean to make her aware that nearly 50% of the students were failing two classes, she was incredulous. She had to face the facts when those students were dropped from the program. When 5% of a class is failing then it is likely a deficiency on the part of the student, however something is very wrong with the instructor and his/her teaching when 50% are failing. These students were not slackers, and many of them earned bachelor's degrees from schools far superior to Pace University which ranks a place only in the fringes of the Poison Ivy League. It is possible that things have changed since I was at Pace, however it is unlikely as the Chair of the Undergraduate Nursing Dept. remains in place, a bloodless and miserable woman whose research specialty is the healing effect of humor. She shares the bill with the same Dean of the Nursing School an administrator who was perpetually absent from view and addressed the students via third party emails from her secretary. So if this hasn't convinced you to re-think applying to Pace read more of what is on this website. With the cost of nursing school today, and the dearth of jobs for new graduate nurses, I would not rush into a nursing program. You can find far better and less heinous places than Pace/ Leinhard to study nursing.

I was originally in an accelerated BSN program at Pace University in New York. It was a horrible program and there are a number of posts on this website regarding the experience that I and a number of my classmates went through in 2010. Nearly 50 % of the people in my program were dropped after the first semester. That is extremely unusual, and I don't want to revisit that story here In an accelerated BSN program you need to be prepared to work like you never did in your previous undergraduate program. Nursing school is tough, and taking 5 courses a semester requires super human concentration and focus. You will have no life for a year and a half. Be prepared to live, breathe, cry, nursing school. It can be done but its not for the faint of heart. I was obliged to transfer an associates program after the fiasco at Pace. The courses were rigorous. Our instructors were supportive and accessible. We received substantially more clinical time than students in some of the BSN programs in NY. Nurse managers at the hospital where we did our clinicals often said they preferred the students from our associates program over the BSN students due of our clinical experience. That was great to hear. After the fact it isn't much help in this horrendous job market. You will read postings from associates degree holders that felt no discrimination when they were looking for work. That maybe the case in some areas of this country, but when you have read as many job posting that read "BSN required" you will wonder why you went through all the headache to get a degree that the majority of healthcare facilities do not want. With your previous bachelor's degree you can do a bridge RN-MSN program. Most of your credits will transfer, I've found that many of the schools try to stick you with additional prerequisites. Personally I do not want to do anymore course work. I have had enough with school. My advice is if you can handle the work load of an accelerated BSN, and can manage the tuition, go for it. The BSN is by no means a guarantee to finding a job after school. New BSN graduates are having a hard time finding work. With a BSN at least you will have one less obstacle to finding work. I would also do more research into the reality of nursing today. If it is your passion to become a nurse and work in healthcare then I will not dissuade you. However idealism will only get you so far. Research, talk to some real nurses, (not academics who may have no experience with the work place today) find out what they have to say about nursing. Best of luck to you which ever program or career path you choose.

I was originally in an accelerated BSN program at Pace University in New York. It was a horrible program and there are a number of posts on this website regarding the experience that I and a number of my classmates went through in 2010. Nearly 50 % of the people in my program were dropped after the first semester. That is extremely unusual, and I don't want to revisit that story. In an accelerated BSN program you need to be prepared to work like you never did in your previous undergraduate program. Nursing school is tough, and taking 5 courses a semester requires super human concentration and focus. You will have no life for a year and a half. Be prepared to live, breathe, cry, nursing school. It can be done but its not for the faint of heart. I was obliged to transfer to an associates program after the fiasco at Pace. The courses were rigorous. Our instructors were supportive and accessible. We received substantially more clinical time than students in some of the BSN programs in NY. Nurse managers at the hospital where we did our clinicals often said they preferred the students from our associates program over the BSN students because of our clinical experience. That was great to hear, but isn't much help in this horrendous job market. You will read postings from associates degree holders that felt no discrimination when they were looking for work. That maybe the case in some areas of this country, but when you have read as ma

Go for the BSN. Whatever anyone posts here about ADN's having better clinical preparation, or that the associates degree is a less expensive alternative, you are going to have a much tougher time finding a job with an associates degree. I have a BA from a prestigious college, which counts for zip in the deluded world of nursing, and an associates degree from a well respected program in NYC. Nurse managers in the hospital where we did our clinicals told me that people in our program were better prepared from the students coming from an Ivy League accelerated BSN program. Our school is theoretically attached to a major health care system here, however priority is given to nurses with a BSN. Our nursing school is named after one of the hospitals in this group. Back in the middle ages that meant you got hired directly out of school and went to work. Not anymore. All the hospitals want Magnet status, and they need BSN nurses to fill the quota to qualify. The job market is hideous now. It has been a terrible shock after all that I went through in nursing school to find out that I cannot find a job with the degree I have. All around the country associates programs are pumping out new grads, who have limited opportunity of finding work.

As witnessed in an ICU: Nurse to a patient who is morbidly obese and weighs close to 350 lbs.: "I see in your chart you had bariatric surgery a few years ago." "It's too bad you had difficulty keeping your weight down." Patient: "I did keep my weight down." "I used to weigh close to 500 lbs." Never assume, never presume

Believe what you have read here. I was a student at Pace, and it was one of the greatest and most expensive and horrible mistakes I ever made. I've have had clinical instructors in another program who attended Pace, and they have little good to say about the school. Close to 80% of the students in the now defunct two year program were dropped from the program, with no possibility of remediation or appeal. 50% of the students in the two year program and a nearly equal number in the accelerated program were borderline or failing one or more courses. These weren't slackers some of them held degrees from highly prestigious and competitive schools. Schools that would never consider the caliber of students who attend Pace's undergraduate programs. The teaching at Pace was mediocre, and inconsistent at best. The instructors a motley crew. The facilities embarrassing. How this cesspool hasn't been investigated by the Board of Regents is astonishing. I can only comment on the New York program, evidently things are different at the mother house in Pleasantville. However unless there has been a major shake up in the program, which is doubtful as the former director of the nursing school is now the Pace University chancellor,and I can't imagine she would sanction any changes. Save your money and your soul. The job market is terrible for new grads, so there is no rush to get through school in one year. There are better and less expensive programs in the NYC. Take time to absorb your studies in realistic time frame. Good luck, at Pace you will need it

One more week of OB clinical hell and I can't wait until its over. I've had no issues with the nurses on our unit. In fact they have been supportive and encouraging, and thoroughly understand that I feel out of sorts. I loved the NICU, and admired the nurses and doctors who are devoted to keeping preemies alive. The nursery was fun. Hard to frown at newborns. They are almost as cute as puppies. Postpartum is purgatory. I see no role for male nurses in PP.My instructor who is obsessed with having me do postpartum assessments, keeps telling me this is what nurses do. Yes it is what some nurses do. But it will never be me. Nothing will change my mind about OB. As soon as the NCLEX is finished my textbooks bought used as cheaply as I could find them are going in a dumpster. Never more never more.

I just wish I could put my time and energy to focusing on areas where I want to work. I loved surgery and a 4 hour visit to the OR was not sufficient. Also the reality is that most of us will be far more likely to work with elder people than with children or infants. Geriatrics is a growing area of nursing and should be addressed as such. Why not offer Geriatrics or OB Peds as electives. But I guess that would require revising the sacred NCLEX.

The doll is meant as a teaching tool but she keeps picking it up and carrying it. Indeed very weird. Some of us were thinking of kidnapping it and sending her a randsom note. She is the peds instructior. Our OB instructor is far to down to be playing with dolls in class. I went to an open house at a nursing school a few years back the. It was for a BSN/MSN program where candidates had to declare their proposed specialty at the beginning. I was on of two men in the room. The dean asked everyone to introduce themselves and indicate their area of interest. One after the other I heard. "I'm a doula and I want to be a nurse mid-wife" "I want to work in a birth center as a midwife." When it came to me, I couldn't repress. I want to work in Adult Health Geriatrics or Geri Psych, and I don't want to know nothing about birthing babies. I have to say it went over like a lead baloon full of spears.

Then the state Boards are fools

I am beginning my OB rotation except for the fact that the instructor is an awesome cool woman,I hate this rotation, only somewhat less that Peds which is taught concurrently. The Peds instructor is a wind bag who loves to hear herself talk, carries a baby doll in class (very strange) and talks to adults students like toddlers. I have no interest in caring for babies or children. I can barely get myself to study the material because it either puts me to sleep or makes me want to gag. Do I have bad feelings towards women, no most of friends are female (yes I'm a guy), I smile at babies on the street, give up my seat on the train to pregnant women. But God as my witness I want to know nothing about birthing babies. or caring for them after birth.