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http://www.immunesupport.com/shop/product.cfm/Product__Code/PH170 I would try this while on chemo.

I'd like to see proof. I took a class with 70+ students and it doesn't effect learning at all. If so, how? Look at UCSD. 200+ students yet the students learn. Btw, less teachers = better teachers getting hired. I believe though that the teacher has not much significance at middle/high school level and beyond. We need to give kids solutions manuals to math books. They help a ton. Every person I know that has them say it helps. Look at college requirements. There's online classes and now instructors can handle more than 6 classes. One of the best universities offer online MBA programs, or half online/campus, and even a Pharm.D online.

Probably because they do the same crap the U.S. does. Why isn't there more doctors there? Is it because they can't afford equipment and there's not enough doctors? Graduate more and shave off useless government jobs. Why not consolidate middle/high school? Make the classes bigger (teachers unions keep them small to claim shortage) and require less subjects for graduation. You do the same old classes in college. There's some money that could be used for funding for more resources into the medical field. It's all about allocation of resources. You find that in any economics book. Some bad ones are school (as I've mentioned), government administrative bs, lawyering, and marketing (big waste)

Agreed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2499747.stmThey should be able to. They went to school to learn about the drugs more so than doctors.

It's called the free market. If there's an excess supply, who cares. Almost every other major allows everyone to get in. For example, a physicist takes a Ph.D (5-8 years for postgrad years) to get a job. Yet at UCSD, only 1 out of the class of 32 will get a job. Although I think the government could fund a little more in the field. That's because many don't have good insurance and then don't go to the doctor. I would go to the dentist but can't. My mom would have her sinuses checked but can't. The problem is also alleviated by the fact that they pay nurses for 2 jobs instead of one.

I see what you're saying. My point is that the raises mean you shouldn't need to negotiate higher pay if you've already worked there. Obviously, some government jobs blow, but it should have been known before working there.

I don't know much about other government positions, but military nurses have reasonable increases in pay. No argument there. Some states are abysmal when it comes to pay.

Huh? It's not that the prereqs are bad. It's just that I haven't completed them since those courses weren't a part of my other major. I can easily get the grades. Engineering students aren't dumb. It's the waiting period that sickens me. I'd love it if they did that to engineering, but they send all these foreigners here every year and outsource the jobs. BTW, I didn't mean to offend anyone here. It's just that this is one reason why the health care system we have is screwed up. What's so bad about talking about the shortage and the reasons why there is one?

I've seen lots of places that are $20-$40 /hour. A traveler makes even more and gets free housing. Nurses also have management options and could get a masters for $70000-$160000 for 40 hours. That's pretty good. Compare that to accounting. Entry level accounting jobs are $20000-$55000 (Big 4 with no overtime pay although work more than 40). Getting a masters doesn't mean you'll get a job higher than 'senior accountant' or 'accounting manager' or 'controller' or 'financial manager' so overall accountants make less if you're not top dog. What's bad about an officer nurse in the Air Force? Btw, the highest pay for nurses are government jobs in California.

Really? Most people don't know why there is a shortage. Well, here's why... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1651518,00.html?imw=Y I've already said I'll probably pass it up because of the requirements. I was looking into finance/engineering instead before I looked into nursing so my college credits have nothing to do with nursing. I also wouldn't try to bash other members because money is what most nurses want. Proof? Look at the wait list for correctional facilities in California, and the ANA lobbies to stifle nursing programs from developing.

Supply and demand. Yes, if they start hiring more grads, it'll mean lower salaries and less overtime. Some jobs like lawyers and financial analysts don't go by supply and demand because the smarter the person, the more money the company will receive. They're willing to keep those salaries high even if those grads are a dime a dozen while nursing salaries would go down.

How did you get so much in debt? Did you go to a private college?

How do you get wealth? Even when you make six-figures, the money over 100000 isn't in the highest bracket. Why do you think you have to put so much more money into a 401k or IRA if you're older to catch up with someone who started early? The answer, time is your friend. You can also use that extra money to get a mortgage with a bigger down payment and get it paid off in 15 years. The interest can't get you. Okay, but that still doesn't refute that many others do exactly what I say. Look at the military for instance. I'm just saying nurses have it very good when it comes to the job market. You just proved my point. They think they'll get one locally since the job market is so good. I agree though that if families have already settled down in an area, they may not get a job and that would stink. They sure are graduating more, but it's still not enough. Why not let the free market decide? That screws everyone. The wealthier folks can still get ahead with the stocks, houses, land, and they could even invest in other currencies or gold and silver as a hedge against the fall of the dollar. Gold has gone up from 600 to 1000 in just a few years. That's a pretty big gain if one cashed out.

Bls.gov is projecting that nursing is suppose to be an excellent job market for years to come. Look at jobs like engineering, financial analysis (virtually all require experience), actuarial jobs (again experience and tests completed) etc. There's only 10000 actuary jobs and maybe several hundred new positions a year.

Registered Care Technologists Here's an article about it... http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4D71F3CF93BA25754C0A96E948260 Funny how the AMA and ANA always try to screw each other over. The highest paid nurse in San Francisco got 350000 in one year. I don't know about you, but the system is screwed up. One thing they forgot to do was raise physician pay. Whoops. It's no wonder why physicians don't want to do primary care. I have no problems with RN's needing bachelors and masters degrees, but what's up with the funding for more RN programs? This is ANA's doing. Why doesn't anyone want to face the truth that in reality, it's an artificial shortage? Same with doctors and pharmacists. BTW, pharmacists should only be available for people who have 2 years done. This 4 years of school before pharmacy school is ridiculous IMO. They also should be able to prescribe some medications.