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Any tips on NC 7, feeling a little overwhelmed with the amount of info to memorize instead of apply???? Thanks! Kenzy

Scholarship date's for Excelsior are in Oct. and in Jan. You can apply once a year or twice, but only once is needed unless you missed the first. I would either call them for an application or download one from their site. I personally have received 2 so far that have helped a great deal. Either way never hurts to try. Hope this helps!!

In the unit that I worked for it was my understanding that the Insurance companies paid for a new dialyzer each Tx. regardless if the pt. was on reuse or not. We were encourage to suggest that the pt. go on reuse, so that the unit I guess could benefit from the money when the the dialyzer in all actuality was being used 20+ times. I personally would request a new dialyzer each tx. knowing what I know now. Just my thought.

I did the same as you, looked and looked until finally I called EC. I was told that in the ASN program there is no course work just exams. However I thought I would mention to you that there is a CLEP exam for life span, not sure if this is a route you would like to take, but you can save a lot of $. The CLEP is $70 vs $190?? Remember though you must first get approval prior to taking it. The actual CLEP test is called Human Growth and Development. Also there are other CLEP exams to cover most Gen Eds (A&P, Micro,English etc.). Thought maybe I would mention it, I did this for this exact class. Hope this helps, if you have any question please IM me. Kenzy:idea:

Coldfoot, I'm with you, I just studied for the A&P test using both Chancellors and TCN book. I found that Chancellors was a lot less material to look over, but had everything I needed. However one of the good things about TCN was the amount of review questions it had at the end of each chapter and in the back of the book. By answereing the questions first then studying the content areas that I lacked in help me to save time. With that said, I myself will also be looking for more Chancellor stugy guides. So if you come across the Micro book in your search please let me know and I will let you know if I find the NC 2-7 study guide. Thanks, Kenzy

Thanks for all the advice and support to everyone who took the time to reply to this thread, I passed the A&P test today. Miracles really do happen!!!!:balloons::balloons:

drysolong, I take the test in 2 weeks, waited till the last minute to study, any advice? I have both the TCN and chancellor study guides any suggestions on what to really concentrate on? Thanks!!!

Not sure where to post this! But if you have any advice for me on Excelsiors A&P test please let me know. Any advice will help. I have two weeks to prepare for this test and am scared to death. :smackingf

chill1965, One quick question? What was the best way that you studied for the A&P test? I take the test in 2 weeks, and to no fault of my own just picked up the book, Needless to say I am so overwhelmed and screwed to say the least. If I may by some miracle pass this one I may be interested in your books if no one else is. THANKS!!

Thanks for the advice. I will definetly be looking into it!. As far as your question in our state Tech's. can not administer any medications, not even tylenol. Thanks for your help.

ok, thanks, but just one more question, what will they do with me personal/ sick time aquired?, no one has said anything about a union or not.

Thank you so much for your advice, but my real concern is that we are really over staffed at the time, 6 Rn's, 1 Lpn and 4 Tech, and a D.O.N., for a 12/chair unit, and only 2 shifts. If someone had to go now, I feel they probably would keep the RN's and Tech's more to satisfy their patient ratio. My only hope would be that I really do the same job as the RN's on any given day,except the Med. nurse, in our state LPN"S can not give IV push meds, but I'm also half the cost. However, I do know that there is NO way that I would take a step backwards and work as a Tech. I was already talked to about the fact that I could work as either, once in a while maybe!, but I stated then and I state now not permenatly. Don't get me wrong they definitly work for their money, but I also have worked way to hard to get were I'm at now. Not to mention I'm 6 classes short of my RN degree which I'm also working on at the present time. I have to admit I am scared to death about the take over after reading this and past threads regarding FMC. I love my job and benefits now. thats another question what's your thought on already aquired PTO, should I use before they take over or will it roll over?, I hate to lose it. After setting the whole picture any different thoughts?

I also work for RCG and Fresenious is coming to look at our small 12/chair unit this month to buy. I am an LPN and have been told that they only hire RN's and Tech's. Does anyone know if this is true? I've worked there for 2 years straight out of nursing school, so I have very little experience any where else. However I can do the Tech's job, and do work with the Doc's in the clinic setting. Any advice would be appreciated.

Wondering and praying for you, please let us know where your at with this situation. No matter what your decision is no one will or has the right to judge you, so dont feel bad about what you decided to do, just let us know that you are ok. :icon_hug: :icon_hug:

I think you may have misinterpreted the word Detain for the word Restrain. The word Datain means to keep from proceeding, where as the word Restrain means to be held against ones will, to hold back or be held back, to control, limit, or restrict. So with that said, when a pt. with a known Dx. of Schizophrenia presents himself to a hospital where he has received Tx. for many years with no known episode like this, in this manner, would it not bring it to someones attention enough to try to detain the pt. whether it be with milk and cookies or however until at the very least a psychic eval. could be done? Maybe just maybe that is one of the key problems in this case, nobody took the time. So I myself would rather take the chance of what could happen right then, then by not trying, and hear what actually happen later.

Did our health system fail us?, or was it a case of many people not taking the time to do their job or did they just not take the threats seriously. Either way could this have been prevented? Last night on dateline MSNBC they had the story of John Hyde. On Aug. 18,05 at 9:00 am Mr. Hyde a well known Schizophrenic in Albuquerque, New Mexico presented hemself at the Presbyterian Kaseman Hospital, with no appt. agitated and engaging in agruments with hospital employees. Not knowing that already that morning at 6:30 am one man (Ben Lopez) has already been shot by Mr. Hyde and this would only be one of five. Needless to say they let'em go?? My question at this point is, was there not policies and procedures to follow when a Pt.presents himself in this manner? Why was a full evaluation not done at this point, or why at the least was he not detained or even questioned. After being allowed to leave, obviously with some what a clean bill of health he proceeded to still try to receive the help he knew he needed by placing a call at 12:30 to an agency which manages his health care problems, making an appt. that he will never attend. Then again placing yet another call at 1:10 to the same agency this time stating they "he was frustrated that he was not recieving the help that he need and that if this time he did not people at Presbyterian kasemam hospital would be in jeopardy". At 3:30 almost 2.5hrs. past the time the voicemail was left the hospitals Administrator was notified. Mr. Hyde at 4:53pm proceeded to a motorcycle shop where he shot and killed two young men(Garret Iverson & David Fisher). In the midst of this spree one of the young men called 911, while on the phone with 911 the 911 operator asked if he knew who shot him and fisher said yes, which the operator never followed up on , in the midst of the call Fisher told the operator to shhh, that the killer had returned and not to say a word, the operator responded by saying hello anyways and the man was shot. Its now 5:10pm,someone from the hospital finally places the first call to the police department stating that a threat was made to one of the doctors, mind you threats have been made now since 9:00am and three deaths later. What do the police do?, nothing due to the fact that it was second hand information. At 5:49 the administrator call Robert Hyde the pt. brother notifying him of the threats and that they had called police to pick him up for a medical evaluation, which was not being done. The US marshall at 6:15pm is now involved and calling the APD but at this point talking with "high ranking officials" about the matter. 6:29pm.Presbyterian hospital is now under a heightened state of alert, 7:04pm police officials arrive at the hospital for an order to pick up John Hyde were a nurse tells them that he does not have any weapons, and is just off balance, and a little crazy. Pretty big ASSUMPTION???, whose DX. was this?, which leads to the next 2 deaths maybe mishandled by lack of correct information or the amount of seriousness involved. Not until 9:15, 2hrs now after the order was retrieved is Officers Ash and Gold dispatched to John Hydes home mind you with misinformation, 10:15pm these Officers were also gunned down. 12:11am John Hyde is finally in custody. For more fact and a detailed story you can go to: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18127174. After seeing this story and going to this web-site looking into it further I cant help but to wonder who is really responsible for these 5 deaths? 1. The hospital for not reacting appropriately to the first occurance (at hospital, not the killing)? and the time it took to take this matter seriously and respond to the threats? 2. The agency who did not respond to the desperate call for help X2. 3. The 911 operator who did not follow up on a name or discription of the killer or most importantly who responded when asked not to. 4. The nurse who DX. or gave inccorrect information about John Hydes weapon status or illness? 5. Or John Hyde the man with the mental illness who disperately tried to receive help?

I was taught to do exactly the same as NatKat, thus far no problems!, and God willing there will not be, however unlikely.:)

Wow, bad incident, great topic, and your definetly between a rock in a hard place, but you alone should not carry this weight on your shoulders which obviously you are when your preceptor tells you to keep your mouth shut, and probably went along with her day as if nothing happened. Obviously this is not her first lie if after talking with her and voicing your concerns she still stands by her lie. Does she not fear the fact that maybe you will come clean because your moral and ethical values will get the best of you, and this is something that you must tell to move on. Dont get me wrong the consequence will be great but its nothing that will kill you, or maybe just maybe you will be respected more by your peers and in the future nobody else will use you to defend their lies of mishaps and come clean in the begining because they know how you are. I myself would prefer to work with you any day knowing now what kind of person you are. What I personally would do is go back to your preceptor and tell her straight out that this is something you are not willing to live with, and will not jeopardize your career for. I would inform her that she has 48hrs to decide how she would like to handle this situation. If after 48hrs she still has done nothing I would inform her that you are going to meet with both the NM and the Risk Manager, and I would do it. One of two things could happen, if shes smart she will come clean on her own, because she will be at greater risk for more severe consquence if you go to them first, or she will stick to her grounds and they will believe her. Either way you will have cleared your slate, and know what kinda people your are working for and with. Who knows by the way they are continuing to look into this it may not be the first incident with this preceptor and you may be doing everyone a favor. Remember you are the pt. advocate and they must always come first. On the other hand if you do not think you can handle the consequences of your peers then say nothing, it does not make you a bad person, take the lessen you have obviously learned and move on. Also remember if you do go forward with this anyone who judges you, take a good hard look at their nursing practices, its really none of their concern and what are they worried about?, Are They doing things to jeapordize the well-fair of their pt?, and do your really want to be next to them when they do. What it all really boils down to is yes you should have known better, but you are learning and that has to be taken into consideration by the hospital, that is why we have preceptors. Good luck to you, and remember this is your decision no matter what anyone says you have to live with this either way. So do what is best for you!!!

Trudyrn, I have many times spoke with my advisor over this issue and have gotten no where. For some reason the classes I have taken for one reason or another have not qualified. Even though the course discription where the same, also all the main course in LPN school like Micro, A&p etc. were like I never took them even with an A average. The only thing they do grant us is with a certain QPA overall we can by pass Nursing Concepts 2. I have not spoke with the Dean because I figured if I was speaking with the chair of our department would he really go against what she said? Also as far as testing out whats the difference if I test out or take the class, arent they pretty much the samething. If I dont purchase the books and go and take the test? I guess I really shouldnt be complaining I only have 8 classes to take, well 6 now, and a 3 day clinical. If you have anyother suggestions I would greatly appreciate it! Like everything it probably boils down to the almighty dollar. Thanks :)

diabo, wow great point! In our unit we give saltine crackers, pickles, or apple juice. never really questioned it, due to the fact that they were doing this long before I started, but you bet I will now. Goes to prove the fact that everything done is not correct. "More Critical thinking and questioning needed on my part. Thanks!

crissrn27, I have a habit of typing in caps lock, so I dont have to worry about capitalization, not a good typer be any means. I never realized until this post that it did this, and by that time it was to late to change it. I guess now I'll have to put my typing skills to the test lol.

I Was In The Same Exact Situation 3 Years Ago, I Had Gone To School 4 Years Already For One Degree, But Wanted To Go Back. After Much Research I Found That All My Local Colleges Had Atleast A 2 Year Wait For Their Nursing Programs, And The Lpn Program Had Seats Available. I Had Just Lost My Job Of 9 Years And Was On Unemployment, Which Meant I Could Receive Financial Help. So I Entered In The Lpn Program Finished And Am Now Working, But Also Taking Classes Toward My Rn Degree At This Time. If I Had It To Do All Over Again And If Possible Knowing What I Know Now I Would Go Directly For My Rn, Less Money, And Really Less Time If You Think About It, Due To The Fact That All Of The Classes Except Nursing Concepts 2 I Have To Take All Over Again. The Only Good Thing Is My Gen Eds Do Apply So Those I Do Not Have To Take, But You Would If You Havent Already Taken Them At Another Time. I Hope This Helps, But No Matter What Anyone Thinks It All Boils Down To The Options Available To You At This Time. Hope This Helps.:)

I not sure but I would think so. If your not in the process of enrolling or are not enrolled how would they know where to place your scores? I would definetly call them and see what their policies are. I was enrolled prior to taking my first test so I never went through this. Let me know?

When I was in Nursing School I studied by out-lining the chapters, while another girl would only take notes in lecture, which I was not good at. One day this girl and I were talking and decided to exchange notes for a test. After reviewing my notes and hers we both passed the test with flying colors. So for the rest of our schooling we did this and both of us passed without problems. Then when I got out of school I had a girl from the class behind me call for my notes, she was having problems and was really trying so I gave them to her, but I knew my notes alone would not carry her through the program she still had to comprehend and be able to apply the material, which she did and passed. I guess the way I see it is I wouldnt help a slacker, but I would help someone who is really trying. Nursing is a life long process of learning and team work. There will always be someone out there that knows more then me and whom I can learn from. So I share my knowledge freely in hopes the next nurse will do the same for me. I follow one simple rule when deciding who I will help and its help those who help themselves. If you feel that by helping someone you are carrying through then dont do it, but if you feel that they are really trying and still need help why not be a good person, talk to this girl maybe theres a way she can help you, it never hurts to have a study buddy! P.S. Another word of advice either go with her and copy the notes or have her pay you for copies, but if you need them for an up coming test dont put yourself in a position of taking the chance of not getting them back, accidents can and do happen.:) :)

In Pa we also have the 1hr. window, but as of last week our hospital policies have also changed to 30 minutes .