MDS 3.0 Draft Final Version Jan. 15, 2008

Specialties MDS

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Specializes in ER CCU MICU SICU LTC/SNF.

  • Revised MDS 3.0 Draft:The proposed version of the MDS 3.0 form, dated January 15, 2008, and written introduction to MDS 3.0 are posted under the Downloads section below before the ODF.

  • MDS 3.0 Timeline: The MDS 3.0 timeline with implementation steps for October 1, 2009 deployment is available in the Downloads section below.

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/NursingHomeQualityInits/25_NHQIMDS30.asp#TopOfPage

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Specializes in Geriatrics, WCC.

There is also a teleconference set up for Jan 24 for two hours put on by CMS on the MDS 3.0. I am already registered for it.

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There is also a teleconference set up for Jan 24 for two hours put on by CMS on the MDS 3.0. I am already registered for it.

I'll be there with you! The internet is going to be very busy Thursday afternoon!

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I'll be there too, can't wait to hear what CMS has to say...:bugeyes:.

On another note...Anyone going to the AANAC Spring Conference in Baltimore, MD in February?

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Specializes in Geriatrics, WCC.

I was quite disappointed with the teleconference. She spent more time going over the history and percentages of who didn't like it and who did, instead of going through the whole MDS 3.0

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Me too, I could have gotten all of the information (and did) from printing out the power-point slides from the CMS website. I wanted to know a little more about the history for the change and what impact (other than decreasing the time for completion--right:icon_roll) the MDS coordinator and members of the IDT team. Seems to me that all of the sections were designed to be completed by only the MDS coordinator. No other discipline, other than when the person brought up section T was mentioned. I really don't want to have to tackle this form all by myself. I want others to suffer too!!!:innerconf

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I was pretty disappointed by the teleconference too. My DON and I listened to it together (we couldn't watch the slides online because the 'net was down) and she dozed off! I kept waiting for her to say, "But wait, there's more...for only $9.95..."

I think the new version is going to be a good thing...and we are going to continue to have the other disciplines doing their sections...the MDS Coordinator just does the nursing part and puts everything into the computer.

I really like how Section M plays out...and I like the emphasis on what the resident has to say rather than what everyone else sees.

And it has never taken me 112 minutes to complete an MDS...even with the time added on from the other disciplines, that seems like a long time.

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I know what you mean about boring...I lost interest half way through and just went through the slides and half listened to the presentation.

As far as the 112 minutes, I guess I have it easy, my facility has only 40 beds, all private rooms, right now licensed for 20 all medicare, census at this moment is 6. So I have the luxury of taking my time and really spending a lot of time with the resident and family. I think the 3.0 will be a good thing.

I agree about the section M. I also like the comment about indicating if it was present on admission. That way facilities aren't being penalized for Staged pressure ulcers or deep tissue injuries that occurred while hospitalized.

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Specializes in LTC, Hospice, Case Management.

Wow. Guess I am glad I was too busy to get on the net for conference. Sounds like I didn't miss much!

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Specializes in Vascular Access Nurse.

the teleconference was pretty disappointing to me, too. she didn't do anything but read from the power point slides. i could have done that on my own. they got a bit defensive during q & a, too. when someone asked about the "gold standard" mds nurse, she said something to the effect of "having done over 100 mds'." i had to laugh...i do more than that in a month!!! and did you notice how she/they never did give the average age of the pts 3.0 was trialed on...just that ages 23-105.....

i'm looking forward to parts of 3.0, but they're not being realistic if they think that 85% of ltc residents can answer the cam...perhaps 50%, but that's even pushing it....at least, imho.

also, if you ask everyone if they "want to talk to someone about returning home", of course the residents are going to say yes! and then what do we do with that info? and what is cms going to do with it??

it ought to be fun to do in our dementia unit!! :smackingf

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Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health.

Whatever happened to the new and improved, shorter version of the MDS that was talked about a few years ago....the one for totally alert, short term rehab or sub acute residents?

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Specializes in Vascular Access Nurse.
whatever happened to the new and improved, shorter version of the mds that was talked about a few years ago....the one for totally alert, short term rehab or sub acute residents?

:lol2: thank you for making me smile!!! after all, it's cms aka the federal government we're dealing with.....

but really, i'm with you...i sure wish there were a shorter form stfor the short term residents, too. and/or a form for those who are totally "out of it"...it's really hard to decide what their vision/hearing/stm/ltm are. you can tell gross hearing/vision, but when someone doesn't speak or gesture, etc or move independently (the 4/3's)....those are tough. i'd think that s/s pain/discomfort, skin integrity, incontinence, etc would be much more important.

hey, we can dream, right? i also sure hope the pain is a rap on the new mds...how did they ever miss that on 2.0??

ok, back to studying pathophys.....

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