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my brother graduated as a second courser in the philippines together with 850 graduates last tuesday .... he said all of them second courser are rushing to take NCLEX and take local boards in december. i had send him books on SAUNDERS COMPREHENSVIVE REVIEW AND Q AND A BOOK. their batch of DOCTORS/ANESTHESIOLOGIST/ SECOND COURSER GRADS are rushing to enroll at NCLEX REVIEW CENTERS ie KAPLAN :bluecry1::bluecry1::bluecry1: that cost an arm and a leg esp for me who is shelling out the big bucks for his review class...THIS IS BLOOD MONEY as far as i am concerned...i think their class are misguided in taking NCLEX first and not concentrate on local boards preparation THINKING THAT IT IS JUST GOING TO BE AN EASY RIDE to get to USA with the current retrogression... i told him that his medical background as a doctor wont do him any good in the exams if he wont prepare and practice at home..and expensive NCLEX REVIEW SITES wont guarantee them a passing score....:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:

any advice greatly appreciated....:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

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I would turn in his petition paper asap to bring him to USA.

Petioning a sibling doesn't take that long, from what I heard.

I think about 2 years or less. (Just a guess, I have not petitioned a sibling yet)

How Many times are you allowed to take the NCLEX in PI?

What is the time frame you he has to pass NCEX?

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I would turn in his petition paper asap to bring him to USA.

Petioning a sibling doesn't take that long, from what I heard.

I think about 2 years or less. (Just a guess, I have not petitioned a sibling yet)

How Many times are you allowed to take the NCLEX in PI?

What is the time frame you he has to pass NCEX?

Sorry, but incorrect information. Parents are quick if the person is actually a US citizen, but siblings join the line. And right now, that is more than a ten year wait. Definitely not the two years that you have mentioned here.

The number of times that one can sit for the NCLEX exam in Makati is based on the state that they are writing the exam for, not the location where it is written. There is no time frame, but just that the approval to sit for the exam has a time limit on it as well as the ATT has a time limit on it.

One cannot even start the licensing process until they have a completed set of transcripts in hand to submit to the actual BON.

It also takes about two years to petition a spouse when they were not included on the DS-230 initially and the nurse gets their visa for the US. So you can see that it will be a long time for a sister or brother.

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my brother graduated as a second courser in the philippines together with 850 graduates last tuesday .... he said all of them second courser are rushing to take NCLEX and take local boards in december. i had send him books on SAUNDERS COMPREHENSVIVE REVIEW AND Q AND A BOOK. their batch of DOCTORS/ANESTHESIOLOGIST/ SECOND COURSER GRADS are rushing to enroll at NCLEX REVIEW CENTERS ie KAPLAN :bluecry1::bluecry1::bluecry1: that cost an arm and a leg esp for me who is shelling out the big bucks for his review class...THIS IS BLOOD MONEY as far as i am concerned...i think their class are misguided in taking NCLEX first and not concentrate on local boards preparation THINKING THAT IT IS JUST GOING TO BE AN EASY RIDE to get to USA with the current retrogression... i told him that his medical background as a doctor wont do him any good in the exams if he wont prepare and practice at home..and expensive NCLEX REVIEW SITES wont guarantee them a passing score....:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:

any advice greatly appreciated....:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

They are going to be sadly mistaken, but that is an issue that they need to deal with and not you. There is not going to be an easy ride to the US no matter what they think, and the ride is only going to get longer, not shorter.

A graduating class there of 850 and that just sums up what I have been saying about the training over there, there is no way that their clinical skills as an RN are going to be what they need to be. Working in the role of the RN is quite different than that of the MD and this is where they are going to have serious issues even when they come to the US. Unfortunately, have seen many of these nurses that had medical degrees first not be able to keep their job over here as the skills were lacking or something else. Most do not even make it thru their 90 days preceptorship here and why many facilities here will no longer even attempt to petition them.

With the fact that there are only a limited number of visas per year, and that number has not increased, he is going to be waiting and waiting. No preference is given because he went to medical school, actually will work against him if anything now.

Kaplan does not guarantee their program if the student trained out of the US, there are many programs that can be done or that he can do on his own that you should not need to pay for.

I would not pay for one of these review programs there, most that are teaching them have never taken the NCLEX exam, nor have even worked in the US.

Save your money.

(p.s. not sure what the rush is for the review course, it is going to be months before any of them get approval to sit for the exam)

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THANKS SUZANNE....for help and advice....:nurse::nurse::nurse:

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You are quite welcome and I do hope that you share this website with your brother and his classmates. There is much information that they truly need to be aware of and not what they are hearing from their wonderful school.

Unfortunately, have seen many of these nurses that had medical degrees first not be able to keep their job over here as the skills were lacking or something else. Most do not even make it thru their 90 days preceptorship here and why many facilities here will no longer even attempt to petition them.

I am an RN with a medical background & I have many friends who have successfully transitioned from the role of a doctor to that of a nurse without any problem.

I believe that those you mention are isolated cases. In those cases, I feel it is not because some skill is lacking but some have a hard time accepting or understanding their new nursing role as they have been accustomed to their doctor role for many years. This is true for some consultants who have practiced for so many years. But aside from these minority of cases, most MDRN's that I know of have adjusted with no problem at all.

Sorry, but incorrect information. Parents are quick if the person is actually a US citizen, but siblings join the line. And right now, that is more than a ten year wait. Definitely not the two years that you have mentioned here.

The number of times that one can sit for the NCLEX exam in Makati is based on the state that they are writing the exam for, not the location where it is written. There is no time frame, but just that the approval to sit for the exam has a time limit on it as well as the ATT has a time limit on it.

One cannot even start the licensing process until they have a completed set of transcripts in hand to submit to the actual BON.

It also takes about two years to petition a spouse when they were not included on the DS-230 initially and the nurse gets their visa for the US. So you can see that it will be a long time for a sister or brother.

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Suzanne: I filed a petition for my brother in the 1980's (who is a practicing Physician-Surgeon in Pampanga by the way) and it took a little more than 20 years for the petition to be current. I hope for him and his youngest son to be here by the middle of 2008. Two of his children have already "aged-out" to be included in the petition. If a U.S. citizen is going through the same procedure this year I imagine that it would now take longer than 20 years for the petition to be current. More than 20 years! Imagine that.

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I am an RN with a medical background & I have many friends who have successfully transitioned from the role of a doctor to that of a nurse without any problem.

I believe that those you mention are isolated cases. In those cases, I feel it is not because some skill is lacking but some have a hard time accepting or understanding their new nursing role as they have been accustomed to their doctor role for many years. This is true for some consultants who have practiced for so many years. But aside from these minority of cases, most MDRN's that I know of have adjusted with no problem at all.

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I have been working closely with two Filipino MD-RN's for the past 2-3 years in our huge medical center here in San Francisco, Calif. One Filipino MD-RN studied nursing first then continued on to medical school. The second one became an MD first then studied to become an RN. Both of them are relatively young (in their 30's). Their transition from Philippine MD's to U.S. RN's was relatively smooth and easy for them, and I'm happy to report that they have both become excellent RN's here in the U.S. I can't say the same thing for three other Filipino MD-RN's whom I also know working here in the States (two of whom are working in our hospital as well). All three are in their mid or late 50's, and all of them had worked for over 20 years as medical doctors in the Philippines prior to their immigration to the U.S. as registered nurses. They had the hardest time adjusting here as nurses. Who can blame them for thinking as doctors first? It was hard for them to follow U.S. doctor's orders when they are used to writing and giving orders themselves not too long ago. One of them almost went back to the Philippines because he could not initially see himself doing some of the "dirty" work that nurses do, but the salary of more than $100,000 (base pay, plus O.T. plus double-time-and-a-half holiday pays) per year convinced him to keep his RN job here in San Francisco, California.

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I have been working closely with two Filipino MD-RN's for the past 2-3 years in our huge medical center here in San Francisco, Calif. One Filipino MD-RN studied nursing first then continued on to medical school. The second one became an MD first then studied to become an RN. Both of them are relatively young (in their 30's). Their transition from Philippine MD's to U.S. RN's was relatively smooth and easy for them, and I'm happy to report that they have both become excellent RN's here in the U.S. I can't say the same thing for three other Filipino MD-RN's whom I also know working here in the States (two of whom are working in our hospital as well). All three are in their mid or late 50's, and all of them had worked for over 20 years as medical doctors in the Philippines prior to their immigration to the U.S. as registered nurses. They had the hardest time adjusting here as nurses. Who can blame them for thinking as doctors first? It was hard for them to follow U.S. doctor's orders when they are used to writing and giving orders themselves not too long ago. One of them almost went back to the Philippines because he could not initially see himself doing some of the "dirty" work that nurses do, but the salary of more than $100,000 (base pay, plus O.T. plus double-time-and-a-half holiday pays) per year convinced him to keep his RN job here in San Francisco, California.

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I think you hit the nail right in the head. Generally, those already used to just giving orders throughout the years will really find it harder compared to those that decided to change careers early.

My brother who is a successful MD in the Philippines in his own right told me that when he attended a medical convention in the Philippines a few years ago one of the lecturers is a highly respected MD in a pulmonary department of a medical center in Metro Manila. Another doctor told my brother that the lecturer lives in the posh Ayala-Alabang residential area of Metro-Manila (I hope I got the name of the place right) and that prominent MD was at that time studying to be a....nurse! Go figure.

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I am an RN with a medical background & I have many friends who have successfully transitioned from the role of a doctor to that of a nurse without any problem.

I believe that those you mention are isolated cases. In those cases, I feel it is not because some skill is lacking but some have a hard time accepting or understanding their new nursing role as they have been accustomed to their doctor role for many years. This is true for some consultants who have practiced for so many years. But aside from these minority of cases, most MDRN's that I know of have adjusted with no problem at all.

Sorry, but have seen it happen all over the US and even more so in the past year. Physicians and nurses have different skills and training and there are those that would never consider reversing the roles for any reason.

And we are also seeing more hospitals in the US that will not even consider an MD/RN as there have been many documented problems in the most, and more of the norm, than isolated cases. And when you see more and more going thru programs only to be able to get a visa for working out of the country, but given the chance to practice as an MD, they would jump at that as well.

You are speaking of your group of friends, but that is just not the case over in the US at this time and in many areas. Including many facilities in CA.

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Suzanne: I filed a petition for my brother in the 1980's (who is a practicing Physician-Surgeon in Pampanga by the way) and it took a little more than 20 years for the petition to be current. I hope for him and his youngest son to be here by the middle of 2008. Two of his children have already "aged-out" to be included in the petition. If a U.S. citizen is going through the same procedure this year I imagine that it would now take longer than 20 years for the petition to be current. More than 20 years! Imagine that.

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Exactly, many here think that it happens quickly for a sibling but that is not the case. And you are quite right about this.

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