CNS same as CNL?

The clinical nurse leader (CNL) role is not the same as the clinical nurse specialist (CNS) role, and, from what I've read, CNLs are not going to be considered advanced practice nursing.

There are a number of older threads here discussing the new CNL role, and also a bunch of threads discussing the DNP proposals. You could use the "search" function in the upper right corner of the screen to find them if you want to read allnurses members' thoughts and opinions.

As Elkpark pointed out, there are several threads on this topic. I too live in IL and CNL will NOT be an APN. I live in an area that is cranking out CNLs at a hospital-affiliated college of nursing specifically for this hospital. They are in the midst of a huge expansion and plan to have a CNL on each floor as a "clinical expert."

Lots of schools offer post-Master's certificates in the various MSN concentrations, for people who already have an MSN and have now decided they want to go in a different direction. However, MSN programs are very expensive and demanding, whatever the concentration -- if you're just starting out, why not make sure you know what you want to specialize in before going into a Master's program in the first place?

Please look at the existing threads here about the CNL role/degrees if you haven't already. There is a lot of controversy about the new role.

We get a lot of posters who come on this board and say, "I want to get an MSN, but I don't know what in. What MSN would it be best to get??" Of course, that's a question no one else can answer for someone. Many of us respond to those requests by asking what are your longer-term career goals? What do you want to do with your career, and how will an MSN help you do that? What MSN do you need to do that? Rather than getting an advanced degree and then trying to figure out what you can do with it, doesn't it make more sense to figure out what you want to do, and then look at what degree(s) you need to get there?

What is it that interests you about whatever CNL program it is you're looking at? I would strongly encourage you to be sure you are getting a degree that will complement your specific professional goals and interests, and help you achieve what you want to achieve within your career. Any MSN program will require a great deal of "blood, sweat, and tears" (not to mention a great deal of time and $$$) -- I strongly encourage you to be sure, up front, that it's going to be a degree you really want.

Agree with elkpark and traumaRUs.

Here are few threads regarding the CNL:

CNLFrequently Asked Questions - from AACN

Pilot Program: Clinical Nurse Leader - old thread

Why is AACN developing new role " Clinical Nurse Leader"????

Anyone graduated from a clinical nurse leader program?

Thanks, sirI. Here's another thread with a little different perspective, also.

https://allnurses.com/forums/f8/what-cnl-means-field-288364.html ("What CNL means to the field")

From everything I've heard and read about the role/degree, it sounds like the point of the programs is to prepare you to function as a "clinical leader" (whatever that means ) of nursing staff in an acute care nursing environment, doing hands-on, bedside nursing. Certainly, anyone with CNL preparation would be just as eligible for teaching positions as anyone else with an MSN. I can't imagine what a CNL would do in a private practice (based on what information I have encountered so far, that is. Perhaps someone else will come along who knows more than I. :))

The CNL as it was explained to me (as Elkpark ssaid) is a clinical expert at the bedside. However, they are NOT APNs and will not prescribe, diagnose or treat as APNs do in IL

UVA - thanks for the update as to what your grads are seeing. There is much confusion about the CNS role still. In some states, a CNS is more like a CNL - not an APN. In other states, there is little difference between a CNS and NP.