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Our clinical group was on the floor a couple weeks ago and this girl in my group is very disliked by the group because of the way she acts she thinks none of the rules apply to her, she thinks she is better than everyone else and she starts drama all the time. We are just trying to get through school and work and she wants to do is start trouble. Well she was team leader this day and we shared a patient after leaving the floor she informed me she took the patient care summery instead of shredding it like she was suppose to. after telling the rest of the group and calling her to put it on speaker phone so they could her from her she took it. We went to our teacher. a week later she was kicked out. I feel bad but at the same she violateda patients privacy and rights. Everyone else in the class seems think we lied just to kick her out. Were we wrong for coming forward, should I just have kept to myself? What would you do?

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yes she was wrong, yes she deserved to get kicked out. If i were you though I would spend my energy on my own work and studies. You will get farther that way.

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I think calling her and setting her up to incriminate herself on speaker phone was pretty wrong. If I heard girls in my group did that to someone, I would think they were ganging up to get her in trouble. It seems immature to me.

Why did she take the patient care summary? I can't imagine why anyone would want to keep them. I'm suspicious that something is being left out... Like maybe she accidentally put it in her notebook and then the story was twisted to make it seem like she deliberately did something wrong.

I wouldn't have done anything in your situation, except remind her "You know you're supposed to destroy those. You should shred it." From what you've posted it seems like you all ganged up on her to get her kicked out because you didn't like her. I would just mind my own business.

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Concentrate on your own business. By continuing to give attention to all of the gossip going around about the situation, you are giving power to the distraction. You will learn other things about what this kind of behavior brings, when you enter the workplace. Now is the time to focus on the reason you are at the clinical site. The rest will come.

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I think calling her and setting her up to incriminate herself on speaker phone was pretty wrong. If I heard girls in my group did that to someone, I would think they were ganging up to get her in trouble. It seems immature to me.

Why did she take the patient care summary? I can't imagine why anyone would want to keep them. I'm suspicious that something is being left out... Like maybe she accidentally put it in her notebook and then the story was twisted to make it seem like she deliberately did something wrong.

I wouldn't have done anything in your situation, except remind her "You know you're supposed to destroy those. You should shred it." From what you've posted it seems like you all ganged up on her to get her kicked out because you didn't like her. I would just mind my own business.

No she didn't accidentally take she took it for her own benfit. Instead of writing down lab vaules and medication for her care plan like the rest of us. She took the patient summery so she could just get all of the info from there. She has done this before many and i have not said anything but since We shared a patient I didn't want to get in trouble cause if any one knew she would blame it on my in a heartbeat. That is the type of person she is. And I did the speaker phone because I was not to go to someone with out proof. The way I see it if you were a nurse and did that not only would you lose your job, but you could get fined or jail time.

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Hello:

I am not a nurse yet ( prospective nurse ) but from what i can see and from my sense and my critical thinking.... is that you guys let her do that when you know that is not allow to happen. WHY YOU DIDNT ASK HER THE REASONS FOR KEEPING SUCH INFO?, WHERE THERE SOME GOOD EXCUSES FOR THAT EVENTHOUGH YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IS NOT ALLOW... SERIOUSLY I THINK THAT YOUR PERSONAL feeling towards hel behavior and they way she acts played a huge part in this scenario... My friend you didnt think about this steps..

1- TALK TO HER FIRST AND GET THE REASON FOR KEEPING PATIENT'S INFO.

(if she doesnt give a good excuse knowing that is not allow to have it)

2- MOVE AND TALK TO YOUR PROFESSOR...

I am sorry my friend but you skept step one and now you screwed up the life of someone who maybe was gonna be a good nurse... DOES NOT MATTER IF SHE WAS BI... OR not...

best of wishes..

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Hello:

I am not a nurse yet ( prospective nurse ) but from what i can see and from my sense and my critical thinking.... is that you guys let her do that when you know that is not allow to happen. WHY YOU DIDNT ASK HER THE REASONS FOR KEEPING SUCH INFO?, WHERE THERE SOME GOOD EXCUSES FOR THAT EVENTHOUGH YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IS NOT ALLOW... SERIOUSLY I THINK THAT YOUR PERSONAL feeling towards hel behavior and they way she acts played a huge part in this scenario... My friend you didnt think about this steps..

1- TALK TO HER FIRST AND GET THE REASON FOR KEEPING PATIENT'S INFO.

(if she doesnt give a good excuse knowing that is not allow to have it)

2- MOVE AND TALK TO YOUR PROFESSOR...

I am sorry my friend but you skept step one and now you screwed up the life of someone who maybe was gonna be a good nurse... DOES NOT MATTER IF SHE WAS BI... OR not...

best of wishes..

BI? Bi-sexual, or am I missing something? Cause noone mentioned that :p

And no, this person would NOT have been a good nurse. She would have been a danger to patients. She didnt think the rules apply to her. Rule #1 is YOU DO NOT VIOLATE HIPPA. Every other rule falls below that, even Pt safety.

If this girl thought nothing of taking home HIPPA-protected documents, do you think she'd bother to follow sterile technique when inserting a foley? Or having another Nurse double-check her insulin or heparin syringes before admin? Most likely not. Do you think she would ever go out of her way to take care of Pt comfort - taking the 3 minutes to perform oral hygiene or give a quick wetnap bath to a post-op? Probably not.

The OP was in the wrong in getting the girl on speaker, but at least there were witnesses. If the other people in the class have such a problem, they should be appraised by their own clinical instructors, who should be thinking "If they dont think Student X was wrong in taking home those papers, why? Do they do the same thing?"

I feel better as a student, and Id feel better were I a patient, knowing that a dangerous student will never become a dangerous nurse.

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Had you not come forward, you would have been just as guilty as she, in my opinion. Not coming forward about a blatant violation of patient rights would be like knowing that a nurse had given the wrong medication (with ngative effects for the patient) and not letting someone know. It doesn't matter what your class thinks, you know the truth, your clinical group knows the truth, and your instructor knows the truth. My advice is this:what keep your head down, do your best, and avoid drama at all costs. Tell the truth, protect your patients, and give the best care you possibly can.

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I meant to say BITCHHHHH.. AND MY FRIEND I GOT YOUR POINT BUT WHY YOU DIDNT TELL HER TO SEE YOU GUYS FACE TO FACE... SORRY SHE IS GUILTY AND YOU GUYS ARE GUILTY AS WELL... PLUS... IF YOU GUYS ARE SO NICE AND SO LOVELY TO EACH OTHER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HER.. WHY YOU DIDNT SHOW HER THAT CLASSMATE LOVE... I THINK IT WOULD IT BE VERY NICE FROM YOU TO SLAP HER FACE WITH SUCH A NICE ACTION... BUT THIS I THINK IT WAS WAY TOO PERSONAL :(

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Ahh ok, yes, bish. lol

I think, based on what Ive read from the OP's situation, that if they had confronted her about it, she wouldve denied it, and possibly threatened to implicate the OP in it as well. And respect needs to be earned, it's not just given blindly. If she's cheating or being unsafe, classmates arent gonna respect her. If students dont respect her, it'll show in their dealings and interactions, which will become strained, which leads to people treating people poorly, like in this situation.

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WE are all humans she made a mistake as we all do.. but i think you guys were to selfish on it.. actions such reminding her to see HIPPA RULES and the consequences of it would it be nice from you guys and in that way she can see that you are a family, because at the end you are going to be togethers for a couple of years becoming more than classmats.,... if she doesnt respond to those actions... then move forward to a high levels (professors,dean, etc)

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WE are all humans she made a mistake as we all do.. but i think you guys were to selfish on it.. actions such reminding her to see HIPPA RULES and the consequences of it would it be nice from you guys and in that way she can see that you are a family, because at the end you are going to be togethers for a couple of years becoming more than classmats.,... if she doesnt respond to those actions... then move forward to a high levels (professors,dean, etc)

Doing it once is a mistake. Doing it every week is an intentional, conscious choice to say "Eff the rules, Eff HIPPA, and EFF YOU!!"

She knew the HIPPA rules, chose to ignore them multiple times, and not only ignored them, but put her partner (the OP) in danger of being kicked out of school as well. If she had been caught by the instructor, and said "Well, Lexie knew I was taking them home.", Lexie would also be an ex-student, and that hospital would very likely sever the relationship with the school, hurting every. single. other. student. The ONLY correct course of action was to inform the instructor. What if it wasnt pt info? What if she violated safety regs by leaving a bed up and siderails down, and the pt had rolled out of bed and died from a head trauma? It's happened. What if she OD'd the pt on heparin or insulin? That's also happened, and nurses and students have tried to cover it up or ignore it. Would you say that lexie wouldve been wrong to turn this girl in had she done one of those?

Think not as a nursing student or a nurse.. think as a patient. If you found out this person had taken your legally confidential information out of the hospital and did God knows what with it, how would you feel? I bet you dollars to donuts you'd be on the phone with your lawyer within an hour.

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