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Questionable Pain

Hi. I know that we are supposed to take our patient's word for what there pain level is, but has anyone ever experienced questionable pain in a patient that even the doctor can find no known cause. We have this 38 year old man who keeps coming to the hosptial time and again with epigastic pain. He does have bad kidney function as he is diabetic and only has one kidney and that kidney is about shot- probably will need dialysis soon. He also just had surgery on his right eye for diabetic retinopathy. I happened to ask him the other day if they had found any known reason for his pain and he stated there was nerve damage in his stomach from his diabetes. I have never heard of this! Does it exist? Somebody with a little more experience please tell me! I must also question him because his pain is always a 9 out of 10 on the pain scale even after receiving Dilaudid 3 mg every 3 hours with Phenergan 25 mg every 3 hours. I diluted the Phenergan in a 50cc NS bag the other day which the nurse before me did not do and he about went off and said it was not going to be as effective the way I did it. Some of the things that he says worry me and make me think he is seeking, but I feel guilty for saying this. PLEASE HELP!

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Just read your posts about these "pain patients". I work in a large hospital where we have a GI doc who specializes in Diabetic Gastroparesis. This is a disorder in which the gut is somewhat lazy or even paralyzed due to the long term effects of uncontrolled DM 1. My usual patient is a 30 something white female with uncontrolled diabetes, pain of 10, and vomiting. They all have g-tubes for feeds and get Dilaudid 2-4mg q3-4 hr with phenergan 25mg SIVP. They are also on Methadone, Cymbalta, and Reglan. Some are even on Marinol for nausea. They are admitted at least every 1-2 mos for 3-7 days at a time for uncontrolled pain/nausea. This a very interesting and sad disease. It is hard on the patient and the nurse. These patients lead very difficult lifes and are addicted to their pain meds. It is becoming increasingly common (gastroparesis) and there are even gastric pumps or pacemakers that can be implanted to stimulate digestion. Just some info I though would be interesting and useful.

Very interesting post. I have one question about it though. You make it sound like a very painful disorder. If you take pain meds only when you have pain is it still possible to become addicted? Recently, a nurse told me as long as I only take my pain medication when I'm in pain I won't become addicted. I have Crohn's and ulcerative colitis and I'm very, very, fearful of becoming dependent. I see those people where I work and I don't want to become one.

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