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This is a Message sent to me in regard to the "crap" people have replied to my posting...great example of professionalism you guys are putting out here. Such compassion and caring attitudes put out by many of you. After my first thread I am cancelling my membership...just thought I 'd let some of you know how some feel about the chaos that this great site has become. Again...thank you for your input... "Allnurses is a wonderful forum. But it is best to stick with questions regarding furthering your education, nclex, and maybe some other subjuects I cant think of right now. Allnurses is too controversial now. Especially wen explaining a unfortunate situation u have gone thru in ur nursing career. PEOOLE WILL JUMP DOWN UR THROAT. Very few may be sympathetic to ur blight but hardly any. Its best jus to read post.."like" them then kiss them and move on. Constantly clarifying what your post is about is totally USELESS. This is the one thing I do not like about this site. To many people trying to make controversy and tio many overly sensitive people. Thank greatness for the moderators" Thank you to the person who sent me this supportive message the rest of guys have fun ripping apart your fellow nurses...you guys just gave me the best story for what I was looking for!

Oh my God...enough. Thank you for your input, despite not asking for your input, I have received it. Enough! I asked for stories and if you don't want to give a story, then move on...enough already!

This is not research. I was just looking for some ideas to research. Also this is not every place I have worked. 3 bad employers, in over 15 years, out of 8 in 3 different geographical areas. At my last job I was given $12,000 a year in raises while I was there, over a 3 year period and offered another $10,000 to stay when I chose to drop to per diem so I could focus more on finishing my degree. I am not a bad nurse and I am not a martyr. One position when I saw things were so bad, I started documenting everything with my supervisor via email, so there would be a record that I had made people aware of the problems before the reportable problem came up. These emails confirmed my side of the story. When I had the problem with the med error, supposedly a post-op patient claimed that I gave a pain medication via a different route than what was ordered. Perhaps he confused the pain medication with his antibiotic. I don't know, but I had repeatedly documented his pain level and that he refused (route, medication) throughout the night. When I did give the medication, I documented (medication) administered by (route). This is normal documentation. Had I not documented appropriately, I may have had an issue, but it was very apparent to the state investigator that I knew the proper route and had given it correctly. It was thrown out. This was like 12 years ago.... Anyway, this is not what this is all about anyway. I was just looking for some unique experiences that I could research incidences of...I cannot believe it has turned into this huge b%#^ch session full of different sides complaining about the other sides opinion. I wasn't asking for anyone's opinion. I just wanted some ideas to research. This big dramatic attack is actually comical. All those who think I am out of line are the ones who seem to be making the biggest attacks! Kinda funny! And what's "many people like this"??? You don't know me and you don't know what I am like. I gave 3 examples of bad situations...that took place over 15 years...in positions that added together don't even cover a year of my nursing experience...and you can put me into a "people like this" category. Unbelievable the amount of judgement being put out in this thread today, especially when I didn't ask for anyone's advice or analysis of my situation. Also since I have posted at least 4 times that this is NOT research, just idea gathering, and I am still being told that this is "not accurate research" only leads me to believe the the people who are so upset about this, are not even reading half the posts. I was getting upset over the attacks, but now I am just chuckling about it. Thank you for your input.

yeah...not a NETY problem...My title is NETY and more...looking for more examples of unfair treatment...thousands of examples...just looking for a new idea, but no one is giving ideas, they are focusing on all the wrong parts and not giving what I originally asked for...stories about bad experiences...oh and some people find venting their bad experiences therapeutic...There are tons of bad stories on all different threads all over the place here. Really if people didn't or don't want to share a story, which what I was asking for...then they should just move on...not the big deal everyone is making... Now, really tired of argueing over all this stuff that was not the meaning of the post. Oh and back-peddling? not sure what that's about??? My initial post said "So I guess what I am saying is has anyone else had issues? Back stabbing, scapegoating, or just down-right unprofessional treatment?"...this is all I was looking for. I gave some examples and asked for some examples.

WoosahRN, She wasn't teaching me, she was taking report from me...bug difference.

OMG...I AM JUST GIVING EXAMPLES OF PROBLEMS...NOT STATING THIS IS MY PROBLEM. I had a tough nurse to report to at my first nursing job...15+ years ago....and she made me a better nurse...was it stressful, yes...am I permanently damaged by this? No. I am not complaining of being a victim of NETY. I am just trying to come up with a topic of unfair treatment...there have got to be thousands of examples. Jeesh...I will never say NETY again...it must bringing up some old wounds for some. Were all you offended nurses accused of it? Otherwise I can't figure what all the hub-bub is about??? Thank you to the few who have offered up stories...I have already found many more stories on other threads. I guess people want to tell their story unless that are asked to tell their story. Kinda funny! But enough with the NETY already! Many of you who are even complaining about my thread have posted responses in other threads about "covering you butt."If there's no blame gaming going on, why does everyone feel they need to cover their butt? That's half of my thought process...that it is a shame that we feel we need to practice nursing on the defensive. Anyone else feel this way?

And many seem to be pulled into this...if you don't approve of the forum, why do you keep posting in?

I'm not doing research...just looking for ideas

T-Bird79, Thank you...this is what I was looking for...It sucks when you don't have the support from management.

Thank you...this is what I was looking for...It sucks when you don't have the support from management.

HoneyBeGood...thank you! Although I have 2 decades on you, 2 previous careers, and 15+ years in nursing...and I also don't get it. In a posting I made about nurse on nurse sabotage, the reply's I got were rude, critical, and overly concerned with my reasons for posting rather than what I was looking for from the posting, which was input on the topic, not input on my examples of input. Basically many (not all...so don't get your panties in a bunch guys) of the big posters here seem to just go around ripping apart peoples postings rather than contributing constructively. Just goes to prove my nurse on nurse sabotage question. Anyway thank you and I don't feel that wanting a fulfilled feeling from your job is too much to ask. If we have to grin and bear it through our entire career, there is definitely a problem! Oh, and I am not a little girl who's life outlook has just suddenly crumbled...I have just been around long enough to know that if you are miserable in your job, it is not worth any amount of money...there are more important things in life!

Everyone is really getting stuck on this NETY thing. The title of the post also says "and more." I was looking for other examples of nurses treating nurses badly...not just NETY...I have been a nurse for 15 years and not claiming NETY...Again...I was not looking for anyone to fix or evaluate my previous problems...I was just giving them as examples of nurses being treated unfairly, often by administration and often by other nurses...I was just looking for some experiences that others have had and this has turned into a frenzy over the NETY topic being brought up...NETY is just one example of nurses treating nurses badly...the same can be said for the new nurse who comes in "knowing it all" and giving the experienced nurses attitude or complaining over not being spoon fed their orientation...My gosh...I was just giving some examples but this has turned into a freak out over what must be a very touchy subject for some...I was not trying to equate any of my issues to NETY...again...just giving some different examples of nursing being treated badly or serving as the "scapegoats." You can't tell me everyone out there has never been the scapegoat for a higher up issue or been on the receiving end of someone's vengeance or unprofessional behavior? I know that most states are at will and can fire you for any reason...which makes it more of a slap in the face when someone fabricates a reason the messes with my license. All she had to say was we don't click, you can't fill our needs, or it's just not working out...instead we had to play a game with a med error that was determined to have not happened anyway. It was just stupid. And often there is administration who will throw it at the nurse to cover their own butt. I have a friend who literally had his license threatened by his supervisor. When attempting to discuss problems with care, she actually told him that he should "not worry about that and start worrying about his license." It is just such a shame that as nurses, many have gotten to the point that they must keep their heads down and not speak up, or constantly worry about covering their butt. Really I was just looking for some stories and this has turned into a bashing match. Everyone is so busy being offended that they are not getting the original reason for the posting. Maybe I should use the suggestion of BrandonLPN and do some research on the drama that ensues when you put a bunch of women together in the workplace. I don't know if he was serious or not, but I be the guys can affirm there is much less drama among the guys.

WoosahRN, Oh, and by the way...I am not one of the "younger" staff. I am pushing 50 and I've been a RN for over 15 years. I am almost done with my masters degree. I really was not trying to focus this whole thread on NETY. It was just an example of bad behavior between nurses. What you report is just as bad! Anytime we do not support each other...young and old...we are doing our profession a great disservice. It just seems to me that it is getting worse and we have put ourselfs into an "every man for himself" situation and that is really sad.

I had a nurse in my first job who raked me over the coals every morning. I would be coming off a 12 hour night shift and she would drill me...over stuff that didn't even pertain to report...What does GERD mean? You should have done this and did you do this? How about this? I remember telling my NM that giving report at the end of my shift shouldn't be the most stressful part of the shift! I survived! But I never quite understood the whole "it was rough on us, so we need to make it rough on you" thing. When I worked clinicals with students or orient a new nurse, I just feel it's easier to absorb info if you're not petrified!

ShillaBSN, Thank you, but it is okay. I don't know if some people get offended by the "everything is not always rosy" in nursing attitude, but I know that in someways I am making myself a target because I don't just sit by when something is not right. Oh, and people telling me to keep my head down??? Really? I should ignore others neglect or law breaking? Sorry, can't do that! I'm like that in my personal and professional life and often management does not want someone pointing out to them things that are wrong. The good managers do, but there are a lot of bad managers out there. If I did just sit back while things were being done poorly or if I didn't stand up for myself when I am being taken advantage of, I would not be able to get out of bed in the morning. I just think that we are seeing a lot of nurse on nurse or management on nurse bullying. Not necessarily the NETY thing. I have been a RN for 15 years. I have seen nurses who ignore their own patients while keeping track of every move another nurse makes, trying to catch her doing something wrong. I have seen nurses remove patient flow sheets from clipboards after a nurse completes it, so they think it is lost and they have to redue it...Just so many times the smile at someone and pump them for info and then throw them under the bus 2 minutes later. I was just looking for a new topic to research and was looking to see if anyone had some similar (or different) stories. Wasn't really planning on getting attacked for asking for some to share their experiences... but like you said...it just proves my point that we practice nurse on nurse violence.

I really was just looking for some ideas of directions to go into, not fact. There is an interesting feed on nursing and politics here. I just feel that at times we do make it more difficult for ourselves always playing blame games and petty competitions. Society has become blame happy and at a time where we are trying to encourage nurses to speak up and report, there still looms a fear of repercussion. I used to teach in an LPN program and we all would comment about how hard nursing could be because it is a basically a female dominated professions and when you put a bunch of us together, there's bound to be some drama. I always told my students to grow a thick skin. With all the rapid changes going on it seems everyone is just trying to cover their butts and stay above water. There seems to be much less of the comradery and more of the watch your back. I guess I just wanted to see what some of the issues other people have experienced are and try to come up with something different to research. We've read all the articles on "the eating of the young" but I know there are many different issues out there. No one seems to be jumping in, other than to tell me I'm probably at fault for the problems I've had and that I shouldn't be posting this...but really, it's not all flowers and fairness...but if we want to pretend we are all a happy club always supporting each other, then I guess this isn't the place for an anonymous reality check. Thanks for you input everyone.

Oh, I absolutely agree that there is always 2 sides and I could not possibly go into all details in a posting, but I was let go 1 week before I would have been there long enough for the union to be involved and in my state anytime a nurse is let go for a med error, it gets sent to the state. When I walked into the meeting when I was dismissed I had no idea why I was even there. I was put on the spot and not even able to review any documentation before being questioned. When I refused the new admit it was on a night shift and I refused to the supervisor who agreed I had too heavy a load. The problem was with the nurse who she then assigned to the admit to. She had been working there for years and she complained to the nurse manager. When the report was sent to the state they claimed the patient was confused and could not confirm any information, yet they claimed the issue came from the word of the "confused" patient. All my documentation was in place and they basically had not basis for their complaint (per the state investigator). The nurse manager was new, she started about 2 weeks after I was hired and was not happy about my need for a set schedule (that had been approved by the previous NM who hired me). She complained to me about it each time she made up the schedule, but I was a single mother working 12 hour night shifts. I could only work the days my niece didn't have evening classes. She wanted to get rid of me and she found a reason before I got to the point where I would have union representation. Oh, and less than 6 months later this NM was dismissed and removed for the property by the police. Other issues such as the report I made because someone else didn't do their job...as a mandated reporter we are obligated to make a report when there is a negligent situation that results in injury to a patient. This client was transported to the hospital and admitted. Also, the nurse who took the position after I quit only lasted 2 months with the company and they did the same exact thing to him when he started reporting the poor care the clients were getting. He also quit and he hired a lawyer. He is a 26 year critical care veteran and not a poor nurse. While everyone can say that I brought on these situations, I know there are other nurses out there who have been treated in a less than professional manner. The school incident was just what is was...I had discussed the issue with several administrators and finally, as an advocate for the patient and my own license, being the school nurse and the one ultimately responsible for the child, I brought a copy of the regulations to the superintendent. I was not comfortable with the teacher's aid suctioning and tube feeding this child. It is our responsibility to advocate for our patients but as my lawyer remarked...sometimes the advocate is the one who gets hung out to dry. They are the ones who administration is afraid will report the things they don't want reported. This is why we have whistle blower laws. Not every job I have had has been like this and I currently work for an amazing and professional company who values things being done right. I just was trying to get some feedback for a paper I am starting for school about nurses eating their young...or whistle blower issues...something of this sort....many of us have seen these things happen and I was just looking for some other things that people have seen. I was not looking for anyone to give me advice on what I should do or even to confirm my thoughts on my situation. I was just looking for some other scary stories people may have. We all know we are not always treated well!

I am attempting to put together some of the scary situations I have experienced in my nursing career. Not the patient scary things but the nurse on nurse issues. The drama, the back stabbing, the blame game. I have a list of them including a nurse manager fabricating a med error (determined unfounded by the state because I had excellent documentation) in order to be able to fire me the day after I refused to increase my patient load when I was running my butt off (1 doctor had just completely re-written all the orders on like 3 of my patients, while several nurses sat reading magazines at the nurses station.) I have been blacklisted from school nurse jobs after I brought documentation to the superintendent that having a teacher's aide suction and tube feed a student is basically practicing nursing without a license (I was informed about a week later that my contract would not be renewed) and most recently I reported an issue to the state (about injury to a patient when someone else didn't do their job) and when the state investigator came the incident had somehow been blamed on me (0nce again my documentation saved me when I had the email I had sent to my supervisor about the incident and she confirmed that the other person had dropped the ball). So I guess what I am saying is has anyone else had issues? Back stabbing, scapegoating, or just down-right unprofessional treatment? I am to the point where I don't want to be a nurse because I am afraid I can't trust anyone to be honest and professional. What does everyone or anyone think?

Give notice and get out! I have learned through the years that if they want you gone, they will find a reason, and you do not want that reason to be something that may effect your license. What I have learned is a total distrust (wow, really cynical), but they can say anything they want to get rid of you and you end up being the one who has to defend yourself. I have twice in my career had issues (probably due to my big mouth) but once 2 days after I refused to take on a new patient when I was already over-whelmed) a completely stupid med error was made up to fire me 1 week before my probation was up. 1 more week and the union would have fought it. This was reported to the state BON because I was fired for a med error and the error was thrown out by the state because all my documentation backed up my side. But I had to go through the hassle of fighting it and now it's on my record with this large employer that I was fired for a med error, not eligible for rehire...just because I had issue with the nurse manager. Most recently I reported a problem with another employee, that had a negative impact on a patient (a state reportable problem). Soon after I made the report to our QA department, my feed back went from "you're doing great" to "the staff feels you're not approachable." I was threatened by my supervisor who told me I needed to be concerned about my license (for not being approachable???) when I told her I wouldn't quit. Then the issue that I reported was pinned on me! So then I quit. The state cleared me of responsibility in the issue, but still...huge hassle that has the possibility to end badly. I know there's whistle blower laws, but I don't trust them to not go hunting for other issues to pin on me. Just always cover your butt and remember that they will also cover their butts. And it's much easier for them cause you trouble. So if they want you gone, I would go. Like someone else said, they probably won't make you work out your notice and they may pay you for it anyway. But if you are really nervous, I would cut my losses and go before they can make it really hard. But...when you give notice, come up with a good reason/ professional reason. This way you can put something professional sounding on future applications (looking for more hours, less hours, looking for a position in a the specialty area of your choice, closer to home, ect) and they can't say you left for a bad reason. It's such a shame that this fufilling career can so easily become hell because of the practices of the administration where we work. It really takes away from the care when we have to worry about stupid things like this!

katonk, I am in a rural area of upstate NY. We have no BSN programs in the immediate area, hence a shortage of BSNs. I am in a RN-Masters distance learning program, but at the SNF I work in, I am the most educated. Even my DON is an ADN nurse!

I'm a Staff Development Coordinator in a Long Term Care Facility in upstate NY...I have 11 years experience and I make 23/hour. Long term facilities do not pay anywhere near the amount that hospitals pay...you take the lower pay for the better hours.

I went to a peds unit right out of nursing school and loved it...Anyway, If there only 4 beds for peds on the unit, I would guess that these are not a high acquity cases...my guess would be that the really sick kids are sent somewhere else...this would probably be the best way to "get your feet wet" in Peds.

odinhoub2422: i would check into what the qualifications are for your area. i am a adn and i have worked public health, school nurse, and taught in a lpn program, and i am currently a staff educator. i think every area is different. we have a shortage of bsn and advanced degree nurses in my area, so these positions are open to adn's. check your area.

If you search the Excelsior website, somewhere on there it lists the 3 regional offices for the preceptor thing. You should be able to contact the office for FL and they should be able to let you know where your closest clinical site is. If I find the numbers when I'm on today, I will post them. I know how hard kids, school, and work is. I'm working on my BSN through Excelsior, working full-time and have 2 kids at home...just remember it's worth it in the end!