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A&P II and Microbiology of Infectious Disease

I am referring to Humulin/Human insulin / derived from recombinant dna in E coli. He said that Europe, in general, had issues with GM products- so they use the pork or beef derived insulin more than the "human". Hope this is more clear- Thanks for the references. I've only peeked at them but there's a lot of info- :)

I am in pre-nursing and taking clinical calculations- my instructor said that the UK doesn't use Human insulin as much as the US due to the genetic engineering of bacteria required to produce it. Is this true? or is he full of it?? Anyone know where I might find specific #s? Thanks.

I have a small Review Book called : "Study Guide for the NET, the HOBET, and HELP Entrance Tests". I haven't taken the NET yet but hear it's straight from this book. ISBN 0967544645 it's put out by Educational Resources Inc.

way to go! keep up the good work!

My program requires a minimum of 72 on the NET. Sounds like you did well- congrats!!

Gosh- I'm nervous about doing it in 16 weeks- you guys are brave to do it in 8!!

That drives me nuts too- last semester I couldn't even get on the stupid school site! I guess everyone was hitting it at the same time. Good Luck!!

OOOOOH poor Jerry! Pharm in the summer- that's too short! It's gotta be tough-hang in there! Good luck everyone- let's all stick together- we'll make it!

I'm pre-nursing @ Oklahoma City Community College aka "O triple C" I love it! It has a very diverse student body which is great for me, the thirty-something mom of 2. I am applying in March- can't wait til Fall 06!!

Just wanted to wish you the best for Friday ( or whenever the little one decides to arrive :) Congrats! BTW I think pregnant and sick is a proper excuse- I'd use it:) Good Luck!

very true- everything you said. I wonder what happens to the people that don't get in each semester? I've met some that have tried before and are still in school to bump their gpa and points. Others are doing another Associate's while they get these classes done. AND it's wierd that you can't really apply to other schools as "back up" because they all have their own special point system. You may have a high ranking at one but not at another. If I apply to another CC just to cover by bases, I can't compete because they award points for all classes taken at their school- so even with a BS, 27 new hours of support courses, and a 4.0 GPA- I wouldn't get in Crazy? ya pretty much!

I have Pharmacology this fall! I'm sure it will be the same story there. Actually, you have to complete "clinical calculations" to even get in the class- so I've seen a huge drop in Pharm enrollment already- people expected to do calc this summer :) Yep- you gotta make at least B for it to count for anything. I've started reading for it already- and I don't start until August 26th! AND Thanks to everyone for all the encouragement!!

Hey- just wanted to rant about how things have changed. I feel sorry for kids just coming out of high school and wanting to do nursing- they're in for some tough competition and there is no easy way around it. I happen to be one of the non-traditional students adding to the competition- sorry. The Nursing program at my CC used to be a 2 year deal- with the first summer pre-reqs (intro to nursing & clinical calcs). You met minimum requirement like high school gpa, NET scores, and compass (like ACT) scores, and you were placed on the list. I had a few friends go thru this program 15-20 years ago. They walked in- and out 2.5 years later with the AAS/ RN. NOW- it's completely different. Because of the preference point system, everyone is taking more pre-reqs and support courses- which used to be taken within the program. (Some of the schools won't publish their point systems to avoid people just working for the points) For example: we get 2 pts each for up to 3 science courses (A&P, Micro, Chem) 1 pt for med term, 2 pts for pharmacology, and 1 pt for any certification like CNA. (there are other pts too) SO.....everyone takes these classes plus all general education to bump their gpa & points BEFORE applying. To stand a chance, you have to take them too. GPA and test scores award you a certain # of pts- but not enough. There are usually 250 applicants each semester for 55 spots. Last spring the minimum pts accepted was 18 (24 possible). It has gone up Every semester- last fall it was 15!! It really can take a while to attain the points needed just to apply- I have a friend taking 16 hours this summer so he can apply for spring enterance! I plan to apply in March for fall- I have to be on days (alternate semester entry would be evening classes) I will have 22 points and all my support courses finished, I'll only need the core nursing courses. Most of my friends will have at least 20 pts too--up it goes again. PLUS- we will only need nursing classes- making competition higher within the program too if we aren't trying to do a full load every semester-true??? Anyway- just wanted to blab about it- Anyone else see a change? I hope all the extra effort and classes are contributing to students being better prepared-and not just adding up points. BUT we sure learn a lot before ever stepping foot into the program.

At my school we don't go thru interviews- admission is done by preference points. They line up all the points and take the top 55 people. There are no wait lists, you must apply each semester. The points are awarding for gpa, courses, net scores, compass scores and previous degrees and certifications like cna, cma, etc. AND-if a person has the minimum gpa but high points- they get in over another applicant who has high gpa but less points. Ya it's kinda weird! BUT less subjective than a director getting a "feeling" :) They accept around 20%. 50% would be great! Pretty much now everyone has to have all pre-reqs finished and support courses as well (these used to be done within the program) BUT it's so competitive that it takes a while just to prepare for application. When I apply in March I will have 22 out of 24 points (lowest accepted last semester was 18) I will have taken the following: AP I & II, Clinical Calc, Med Terminology, Micro of Infectious Disease, Pharmacology, Nutrition, & Dev. Psych. BTW I have a previous degree in a science so I haven't had to take any general ed classes like english comp, algebra, etc. A grand total of 27 hours BEFORE entering the Associates Program. Because of the point system, it just can't be done any other way. AND all the schools use a similar system, even the major university NS. I guess I would say do what ever it takes-take all the classes, make as many As as possible, volunteer or work in health care, and practice interviewing. Good Luck!

ya- with my first degree I took chem I&II, Organic I, and 2 semesters of physics, BUT it was over 12 years ago and this stuff is different somehow. Maybe because I've got more riding on it this time :) OH I hated algebra-thank goodness my hubby has a masters in math!

I'm currently taking "Clinical Calculations". It is required for ALL health programs- RTA, PTA, EMT, Nursing. It consists of dosage, drip rates, ped dosage, etc. We started this summer with 16 and we are down to 8. I have a 98% so far, but it is hard. Some of the people who dropped also dropped it last semester! I believe it may be one of the weed out classes- its required and difficult. We have homework due before every exam-this week I turned in 35 pages of problems!! BTW- you must complete this class with a C or better to get into PHARMACOLOGY- a course that is not required but everyone takes BEFORE getting into NS, for the experience & the extra preference points! I'm taking it this fall- I'm sure we'll see the same drop rate. Keep studying!

Thanks. Sorry-haven't checked this thread in a while. I too am old enough to refer to okccc as socjoc!! I took classes there in the early 80s while in high school. You're right, it has changed. I have been impressed with the faculty, and level of instruction. Thanks again for your input.

:kiss Let's all kiss and make-up! Now doesn't that feel better?

It's great that you are in a good program. And that you have loans available. BTW I paid for my first degree as well- with hard work all during college and a lot of loans. For some of us who are second career students, loans are no longer available to us. I cannot receive undergraduate loans-period. Most ADN programs are not "technical". The abbrev. stands for Associate Degree of Nursing / mine actually will be Associate in Applied Sciences. And with it and my first BS- I can move on to the MSN, NP, or CNS. My program is at a Community College not a technical school, or vocational school, these are different. I will have pharm, physio-path, leadership, and research, as well as many other. Please do not assume anything about individual programs. BTW--WE are not talking about "diploma" programs- these were hospital based training programs, more "hands on", on the job training. Yes these are being phased out. As long as the professional designation remains the same- RN- we are all registered nurses. Even though I believe those had their place too. This is my point of the OP- RN means RN, we all take the same boards. All programs are evaluated and accredited. One has to choose the best path for themselves. Good Luck to you.

I don't understand this either. My babies rolled around- pushed their hands, feet, & butts outward and jumped on my bladder. If I hadn't known before- I would have known by 4 months, or thought I had an alien in my gut!!!:chuckle BUT no two pregnancies are alike:p very interesting thread btw

I am about to start an Individualized Study course at a local tech school. I can go anytime M-TH from 9:00am - 8:00pm and work on my skill labs. Then I test out and when I finish- I take the certification exam. This course cost $250 and I can take up to 16 weeks to complete it. I will have two 8 hr shifts for clinicals. I'm happy with it. Maybe you could search for something like this in your area. It works great for me and my pre-nursing classes, as well as my kiddos' schedule. When I'm done- I'm looking at any facility/dept/shift-take your pick. Hospitals pay around $7.00, LTC a little less, and home health $10/hr. I'm also considering what areas will give me good experience. There is an opening in the ER, but it's mainly transporting pts, and gophering. I really want to be in pt care. Good Luck!!!

OMG!! the whole thing continues and I've helped to propogate it. Sorry My point was not to make anyone feel bad for their degree, or be militant about the adn, or say one is "better" than the other. I meant the exact opposite-they are both valuable but different. AND one may fir your life & goals better than the other. Because I have chosen the adn path, I can take 1 or 2 classes a semester, work part time and still have the time with my kiddos. I will have ALL the support courses finished when I enter NS so I'll go part-time then too. This would not be a choice at the university- I would have a full load for 2 years- after I finished pre-reqs. it works better for me. My original post was a RANT from frustration due to attitudes toward the degrees, and the constant defending that I have to do of my choice. If you're getting your BSN-great. I'm glad you're able to that. AND I realize that in every state/city the schools are different, the programs vary, there are waiting lists a mile long, etc. Our opportunities differ from person to person and state to state. BTW when I went to the seminar at OU, the counselor was actually telling people with GPAs lower than about 3.4 to go get their LPN or RN and come back. If you have an LPN or RN you DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE TO GET INTO THE BSN PROGRAM--if you meet minimum requirements, you're in with advanced standing. I know that any program is what you put into it----my point exactly. Both paths are valid, none of us will pass nclex or be good nurses without putting all our energy into it. I'm signing off.....Good Luck to ALL

Amen!!!