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My opinion is that the dude (or dood) should be fired. She had her B/C filled there in the past and then, all of a sudden with no prior notification, she was denied her scrip. The method I use to voice my opinion on these matters is to make it a policy NOT to do business with companies that tolerate this type of behavior. A CVS just opened here a few days ago - they won't be getting my business!

OMG, I've said that many times! :rotfl:

We were just discussing this exact thing at my office today. I agree that quality of life should be a factor. Sometimes there is no way to know what the recipient's quality of life will be post-transplant. Many times, though, the quality of life is great and the recipient leads a long, happy life post-transplant. Just read some of the stories at http://www.donormemorial.org/. May of them are from recipients thanking their donor.

You didn't read what I wrote, did you? "I think it is very safe to assume that the same folks that voted for him (or Kerry for that matter) are not organ donors." I'll explain again. I've said it at least 3 times that MOST PEOPLE are not organ donors. I'm just asking those who cited moral values (Bush supporters- read the exit polls if you don't believe me) why they are not willing to donate. If you are willing to donate, then the question does not apply to you. Many of you have said that you do not connect a willingness to donate to moral values. That is an answer to my question and I really appreciate that. I disagree, but that's just MHO. Many of you think I'm being judgmental. I'm sorry, but we are all judgmental about one thing or another. Much of Bush's campaign was based on judging others, by the way. (Even though I can be judgmental, I don't believe in PUBLIC POLICY that judges others, so that's why I didn't vote for Bush. If I believed that way, then I would fight to pass laws that would fine people for being stupid. NOT THAT I'M CALLING ANY OF YOU STUPID. Stupidity is just one of my pet peaves.) Anytime someone does something you don't agree with and you lose a little a little bit of respect for them, you're being judgmental. This is just one of those times for me. I'm not perfect! To me, there is a connection between moral values and organ donation, so that is why I posed the question.

That's wonderful, but you are only one person. Most people don't donate.

I never said Bush was against organ donation! Please don't get that started! I'm just saying that Bush supporters (a lot of them) say they voted for him based on moral issues, yet most of them will not donate organs (statistically speaking). I'm so happy to hear about your son! Spread the word!

This is such an interesting thread! You guys certainly have some informative and interesting things to say about this subject! Sorry I haven't been more involved in the discussion, but I've had some other things pulling me away from the board. Plus, some of you guys just intimidate the s*&^ out of me, which is scary because most people don't phase me at all. My original question had to do with the increased "moral/family values" in this country but no increase in organ transplants. Most of you have said that you don't see a connection between being a moral person and donating. I can understand that, so that basically answers my question. I just never really saw it that way for myself. Someone else asked why I had to bring the election and the republicans in this. Well, that's easy. It was Bush supporters that said they voted for Bush due to moral issues, not Kerry supporters. I think it is very safe to assume that the same folks that voted for him (or Kerry for that matter) are not organ donors. It's just that it wasn't the Kerry supporters that cited moral values as the reason they voted for Kerry. By far, most of the people in this country do not donate their organs. I am certainly not a perfect person, but I try my best to do the right thing most of the time, and donating my organs when I die just feels like the right thing. It's also really easy. It requires no real effort on my part, seeing that I'll be dead and all, other than letting my husband and family know my wishes. I know the system is not perfect, but then, what system is? However, those people on the waiting list did not make up the rules and processes for the system. So, I will not punish them for the faults of the system. I don't think it should be mandatory to donate, but I might change my mind on that. I agree that some of the laws we have seem ridiculous, like the seatbelt and helmet laws. However, I also find it's ridiculous that laws are even needed to make people protect themselves. What strange animals are humans! Why would you need to make a law to tell me to put my kid in a corificeat? And, yet, people still don't do it! I am always baffled to see the number of people that don't put their kids in car seats and don't wear seatbelts themselves. I wear a seatbelt, but not because it's the law. I wear it because I want to live and I want to spare my husband and family the grief of losing me because it was too inconvenient and restricting to wear the belt. When driving cross-country, I don't stop at each state's DMV to see if it's a law for me to save my own life! Those laws still don't MAKE people do anything - they just encourage it. I've babbled on long enough, so I'll shut up now. I just had some thoughts and wanted to share them with you. I love this board. I feel much better about this. And, yes, I do plan to educate people once I am a nurse and as much as possible now.

Hey, thanks to whoever it was that referred me to http://www.unos.org. I've been reading the memorials for the past hour or so at http://www.donormemorial.org and some of them are just heartwrenching. Gives me chills. I realize it's a difficult decision and I would certainly honor his wishes if my husband chose not to give. I, too, hate that when people go against the wishes of the dying person. I would never do that.

Congratulations! I hope everything goes well for you and the baby. What a wonderful Christmas gift!

By the way, I didn't start this thread to change anyone's minds, so I just didn't see any reason to put sugar-coating on my feelings on this matter. I'm so sorry if I offended anyone. Obviously, if I were trying to convince people to donate, I would not let my true feelings about the issue known. One of my many faults is being painfully honest. I'm not trying to browbeat any of you. I have a great deal of respect for all of you and kind of think of you as people I can be honest with. Don't take it so hard. This is just one of those little things that eats on me and I wanted to get your views on it.

Thank you all for your responses. I totally agree that it is a personal decision. I don't care whether we go the opt-out or opt-in route because either gives people the opportunity to make their wishes known. I'm not really trying to judge people for not donating, although it's really hard not to. I'm not generalizing either - I'm not saying that all who voted for Bush refuse to donate. However, if you look at the numbers, I think it's fair to make a general statement that people don't donate very often. What I don't understand is how can you be concerned about whether gays are getting married (one example) or not when people are dying on the waiting list? Why is our country focused on such minor details when the big things are just sliding by unnoticed? I understand that the organ donation network/process is not perfect. Can you name any national organization that is? That doesn't mean that they are not worthy causes, though. So, if you are not willing to donate, would you expect to get an organ if you or someone you loved needed it? If so, then isn't that a double standard?

Ok, I know that organ donation has been discussed here more than once, but I couldn't find anything that addressed my particular question/issue........so here goes. In this year's presidential election, many of the exit polls showed that people voted based on their "family/moral values." It seems they (not me!) voted for Bush because they felt he stood for those values, especially in regards to gay marriage, abortion, etc. I was very distraught after the election because I hear these people talking but I don't see these people taking moral action! Organ donation is just one of the areas that angers me. How can the majority of this country stand on such moral high-ground and then show such PATHETIC organ donation numbers? People are dying because they can't get an organ when there are plenty available, but they get buried with the patient! How can you proclaim to be such a good person with such high moral values when you aren't even willing to donate your or your family's organs in the event of their death? I really don't see that as being a whole lot less than murder. I'm not even a nurse yet, so I'm not right in the middle of this yet, but I do dread it! Anyway, this is just something that disturbs me deeply and I wanted to get your take on it, especially those of you, if any, that are not willing to donate. I'd like an explanation!

:roll :rotfl: Well put! I love it!

I'm not an LPN, but I have a BS in zoology and now pursuing my BSN. I graduated the first time in 1993, so the first classes I took were in 1989, and they are giving me credit for them, no questions asked.

Ditto for the above responses. I still owe $$ from my first degree and now I'm borrowing more for my BSN. Unfortunately, that's just one of the downfalls of going to school in the US and I guess in Canada, too. It stinks, but like everyone else is saying, you are worth WAY more than that! After all - IT'S ONLY MONEY!