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Hi VanNuysRN, The one male RN injector I know of is in LA. His name is Rand Rusher and there was a reality show last year on LOGO TV called "Pretty Hurts". I loved the show but don't know if it will be on this summer again. He is an awesome injector and so great with his patients. As far as being a trainer for Botox I had several years injection experience before I started training. I worked in a place that had a consulting part & I would train for them. I also did training for Allergan at one point and that I got from my rep. If you've read my previous posts I'm big on one-on-one training. In my humble opinion I just think you learn faster and better with a lot of hands on experience. Hope this helps:lol2:

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Botox works great. I'm a RN injector and I do this all the time. You will probably have compensatory sweating elsewhere but all of my patients don't care. It looks like in the future there will be a topical Botox for hyperhydrosis so people won't have to get all those injections. It is fairly expensive-I charge $1000 because you use a whole vial of Botox. If you have insurance and have tried all of the prescription products the insurance might pay for it if you go to a derm. The nice thing is it lasts 9-12 months so you don't have to do it too often! Good luck!

As a RN you can't buy those products. They can only be ordered by a DR. These are considered drugs so if you are on your own you need a medical director. I don't the laws in NY but where I live I have to have my doc 5 minutes or 5 miles away. He's actually on site so it's not a problem! I have seen places on the internet to buy these products but I would caution strongly against it, as theyare typically coming from out of the country which is also illegal! Hope this helps:rolleyes:

You are right that each state is different. As far as lasers are concerned there are so many of them out there that getting trained on one will only help if that is the one you're working with. If you get on at a place they can train you or they may have training from the laser company available. There is a company called Medical Laser Dynamics that is fabulous! They have a 2-3 day course that goes into all of the info you need to understand the physics and safety of lasers. I have been to alot of laser trainings and it took me awhile to really understand all of the dynamics of lasers. I know of places that hire someone and give them an hour or two of training and then turn them loose. This is where all the problems start-not knowing what you are doing!

Hi everyone. I have been in the business for over 11 years in KS. I have worked in two places before I went out on my own 3 years ago. I have been paid hourly, hourly + commission and full commission. Every place is different in what they pay. I belong to a society and we have a meeting every year and this is a topic we all talk about. Every state is different in their laws as far as your medical director. Here they have to be 5 minutes or 5 miles away but alot of medspas don't abide by it. I am in an office where mine is on site but I'm an independent contractor which makes life easy. I think it's important to get the experience and build your reputation then you are able to do your own thing! Because there are so many places that do this now it might be more difficult to make the money you are worth until you have the experience and following. The products are expensive to purchase so the spa has some big overhead so they are wanting to pay as little as possible which is sad if you have great employees.

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Hi Aprilr, I have been in aesthetics almost 8 years. When I first started it was hard finding programs to get trained. I can't even really remember how I first got trained. I do remember my first pt was a Dr. I called on when I was a rep & I was sweating bullets. I changed jobs & took a couple of training classes that were expensive but great - I didn't have to pay for them though. I perfected my technique & about 3 years ago I started to do trainings for Allergan (Botox & Juvederm) & Medicis (Restylane & Perlane). I enjoy doing those but they typically are not for beginners because you usually only work on 1 pt & you're competing for time with the trainer. All of the companies can certify you but there is no "standard" of requirements like nursing school. Finding a job in this business is hard - if you can find a Derm of Plastic surgeon that is a great place to start. There are alot of med-spas out there but they typically want someone with experience because they don't have Drs in the office to train you. As Redhotzz said you need to see what the laws are in your state with who can inject & if your Dr has to be on site or within a certain distance when you're injecting. I have been a national trainer for another company also & I have found the best way for people to learn is by doing one on one training. I am big on the didactic work, but I have found that the best thing is to practice over & over again. Typically after doing the didactic I have people inject as many people as we can get in. It is also so important that after training you can start seeing pts right away so you don't forget what you learned:) I recently went out on my own as an independent contractor & trainer & have my own office & am loving every minute of it! I work out of town a week a month & have had several other offices call me wanting me to come inject for them. I have more work than I can handle:yeah:I have licenses in 3 states & may have to get more! Good luck with your new career!

Hi NurseinNOLA, I emailed you privately with my personal email & didn't know if you got it. If you still want to talk let me know. I will be in LA the week of Sept. 14th & would love to talk with you.

Hi PJ, Depending on what kind of Drs. they are you should be covered under them. This is the bad part about being an IC. NSO won't cover you if aren't a W2 employee & doing aesthetics. I can have coverage in my office because I worked out with my Drs. to pay me a little each month so it will generate a W2 & I can have coverage. The other offices I go to I am covered under them. Good luck:coollook:

Hi Valerie, I am in the Kansas City area. I haven't heard of either of thoses programs - but hopefully they will be great & you can learn alot. I am assuming you are in CA? I know this business is big out there so I hope you can do well!

Hi PJ, Alot of Drs. think that getting into this business is going to make them alot of $$$. It takes alot of $ to get started & getting patients can take alot of time. The better thing for them might be to start a side business but continue in their medical practice. If they decide to get into doing lasers the laser can cost $150K & up. That is some pretty big payments. I don't know where you are, but I would see what kind of competition you have where you are, & see how those places are doing. What kind of Drs are they? The injectables are costly up front & you want to make sure whoever is doing them are trained well. Where I am there are some palces not doing well at all & it all is about how you market yourself & take care of your patients. In my meeting in Vegas almost everyone works for a plastics & they have seen a decrease in surgeries but injectables & aethetician services are doing well. They might be able to pull patients from their existing practice but sometimes that doesn't work to well. I don't mean to be such Debbie Downer, but I would hate for them to lose alot of $$. Let me know how else I can help!

Hi Valerie, After I did some training I just started right in injecting. When I train people I tell them they have to start using what they learned right away or you can forget it - especially when you first get started. Hopefully your class lets you inject alot. Alot of the trainings have you inject 1 person - you don't really learn that much - especially if you are just watching someone else do it. When I train we do didactic for 2-3 hours & then if we are doing Botox & fillers, the person injects for the next 11/2 days. They typically will inject 10-12 people during this time. This is the only way to really get the feel for it. As you know everyone is so different & when it comes to Botox it helps to see alot of different people with different muscle configurations & facial differences. I still go to seminars if I think it will give me any new pearls for what I do. This week in Vegas I talked to alot of other RNs & saw live injections by some Drs. It was great to see how other people do things & get new ideas. Let me know how else I can help you & good luck with your training. By the way - do you mind telling me who it is thru?

Hi injector1, Just got back from Vegas this afternoon from an aesthetic meeting. It was awesome as usual. Most of the people who go are RNs or aestheticians that work for plastics. I learn so much & it is great talking to other people who do the same thing. Next year it is in Washington, DC. Any of you in the business it is a very worthwhile meeting. As far as my 70 pts. it was all in the office except the Dr. had a Botox party at a boutique but we only saw about 16 people together. Next time I'm going for 4 days so they don't kill me:yawn: I am will be getting together with my accountant soon about all of this stuff. I think you should be able to write off mileage or car payment. I will see what he says. I agree about the lasers. In the palce I used to work I made 25% on lasers, but I got kind of tired of doing them. I like doing the injectables too as it is much more satisfying! I also love being able to come & go as I please. Keep up the good work:D

Hi Pj, You should be able to call the Board of Nursing. In KS & MO you don't have to be an RN, but I have heard they are getting ready to change that:yeah:

Hi diveprn, Sorry I didn't realize you were an IC. What I worked out with my main office was for them to pay me $1000/mo so it would generate a W2. ( I think that anything over $5000/yr. will generate a W2). Then I write them a check for $1000 from my business acct. for rent. That way I can write off the rent as a business expense. We went through an attorney to set this up so everything is on the up & up. I did this also because of a past employer who will bew trying to sue me over my non-compete. Hope this helps!

Hi PJ, In regards to Dr.s training you, some might but in my experience alot of them aren't that great & could use some help themselves! Alot of derms & plastics don't let their RNs do any of the injections. I am a national trainer & I am amazed at the number of great RNs are out there that have a great aesthetic eye but the docs don't want to give up control. If you could get in with medi-spa then you might have a better chance of getting to do injections. I will say that being in aesthetics is about sales as much as it is taking care of people. Most nurses aren't good at asking people to spend $1000 on their face, but if you have the personality it comes naturally. I don't know what the laws are in OK so you might check. I have a patient who is an aesthetician & is going to be moving to OK & she wants me to train her on Botox & fillers. I think only RNS & above should be injecting but for some reasons some states don't think it that important:o In MO they are getting ready to pass a law that you have to be a nurse to inject:yeah: That will keep me from training people who shouldn't have a needle in their hands! Let me know how else I can help you. I am going to Vegas tomorrow for a meeting for RNs & aestheticians in the field. It is a fabulous place to learn about new products & procedures & get to see live patient demos by some of the best Drs. in the country. To learn more you can go to the SPSSCS.org website.

Hi DivePRN, As far as insurance, I have had the same problem but I do know that NSO will cover you if you are a W-2 employee. They ask if you do aesthetics if you say you're independent, but don't if you say you're W-2. I found another place on this thread -PPIB & just got a quote & it is $2900, where NSO is only $100! I am covered under the Dr.s offices I work in but I am going to get some on my own for my office. In the medi-spa I just left they had insurance so I never did worry about it. Hope this helps

Hi tansy0175, I have been in aesthetics for almost 8 years. If they want you learn they should be willing to pay for your training. I go to meetings & the pay ranges from salary to salary plus commision to 100% commsion. I live in Kansas & have just gone out on my own to do contracting & have my own place. I was at a medi-spa & my pay structure changed allof the time - guess why I left? I made $72K in 2006 but only about 60K in '08 because I kept getting things changed. I also am a national trainer for injectables so I am going to keep doing that as well as my contracting. San Antonio should be in line with KS as far as $ for you. Let me know what happens & if I can help you anymore. This is a fabulous field to be in!

Hi pinkturesque, I have been in the aesthetic biz for almost 8 years now & love it. I didn't do nursing but 6 months & then was a pharma rep for a few years. I got into aesthetics by accident. You might look into getting a job with a derm or plastics & learning about the biusiness. Alot of them won't let their RNs inject so a medi-spa is another avenue. There are several places to get trained but you have to be able to start practicing what you learned asap because you lose it fast! Let me know what else I can help you with - look forward to hearing what you do!

Hi injector1, I just got back from working with a Dr. in Louisiana & saw about 70 patients in 3 days! I made more money in 3 three days than I would have in 2 months working at my old place. I am scheduling set times with all of my Drs. but they are wanting more time plus I have people wanting training so it is getting crazy:yeah: I have a non-compete at my old office & it says I can't see any of my patients for a certain time period. I am getting referrals from several people so it is helping to build my own place. Eventually I hope to just work in my own place & my Dr. in LA who I love & won't give up. Glad you are enjoying being on your own. What kind of compensation plan do you have worked out with your Drs? I do a percentage of the gross I bring in & work as a 1099 employee, that way I can write off all of my travel & other expenses. Good luck with expanding your business. I am going to Vegas for a meeting next week so I will check back in next week!

Hi, Just found this site & can't believe the number of different threads there are. Hopefully you will get this. I just started doing independent contracting. I have been an injector for over seven years & am a national trainer & decided I was tired of not making more $$$. I found a couple of Drs. I had trained & talked to them about seeing their patients - they have a medspa but don't really want to do any injections. I am seeing their people along with seeing my patients there too. I have also got three other Drs. who I've trained that I am doing the same thing with. The problem with doing injections at a salon or spa is you have to know the laws in your state. I am in Kansas & we have to have a Dr. within 5 minutes. Also, insurance is a problem. I am able to be under the Drs. insurance because I am in their office. If you are in other places you probably won't be covered. Hope this helps. Keep me posted of what you find out.:)

Hi April & everyone, I just found this site & was excited to find someplace to talk with others about this field. I have been in aesthetics for over seven years. There are different laws in each state. I live in Kansas & here & Missouri you don't even have to be a nurse to inject if you have a Dr. who is OK with it. I got my start in a medi-spa & was able to get some great training from various places. I believe the best training comes to you where you get to inject on your patients with someone there giving you one-on-one instruction. I have recently just went out on my own after years of making alot of money for everyone else. I am going to be doing independent contracting for several different Drs. as well as having a place in an office to see patients of my own. You have to have a Dr. order the Botox & fillers, so the Drs. in my office will be paying for the product & I will be getting a percentage of what I do. The main thing with this business is getting the experience & becoming a fabulous injector. I have built a huge injectable practice & have become well known for what I do. I still go to courses to continue to improve my skills. Good luck & let me know any other questions you have