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This program IS COMPLETELY FREE for those who meet the requirements - as in ANY program! That's all! This is a GREAT opportunity! Take it if you qualify! It is amazing that some people make up negative statements when non are warranted! How sad!

I will become a RN as soon as possible. As you see from this website, I am 59 and female. I will graduate at over 62. I am in good health, and look younger than my age. I had a ICU hiring nurse manager from a huge Oakland County hospital in Royal Oak and Troy, who was taking one of my classes for her masters and she said to my face without blinking that she would never hire me if I interviewed with her because of my AGE! She said as far as she was concerned I would not be able to handle the responsibilities of ICU - of course that is based solely on her prejudgment of my skills and abilities. My goal is to work in ICU, CCU, Cardio in a hospital. I have no interest in working in a nursing home. As a CNA, I have had my fill of the "environment" of nursing homes. Does anyone have success stories, suggestions, and success in being hired (or sadly, age discimination experiences) at over 55 years old in hospital jobs? I am looking for POSITIVE, ENCOURAGING feedback on specific hospitals that would be open to older RNs applying. But your PERSONAL EXPERIENCES of ANY kind are useful (especially if you include the hospital so I understand the context). I have learned after many years I will NOT try to open doors that the LORD has closed to me. I am looking for OPEN DOORS! Have a wonderful, productive life! :wink2:

TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN GRANTED MONEY UNDER NO WORKER LEFT BEHIND: Would you PLEASE enter the location of the Mich Works office that approved you ASAP? I, for one and I am sure others will too, need to know what offices have admissions committees that will approve the NWLB funds so I can go to that office and apply with THEM! If you are willing, please also give the name of your case worker so I can apply with the office and ask for that case worker, and any other helpful suggestions that helped get your approval, would be appreciated. I went to the Pontiac office and they were terrible and denied me flat out. I went to the Oxford office and they said I could re-apply in March after I completed my pre-reqs and AFTER I was ACCEPTED into the program but BEFORE I START the program to see if they will give me the grant. I live in Oakland County, and I don't know if I am eligible outside of my county, but I will try anywhere in Michigan that I can reasonably drive to. HELP!!! What Mich Works offices did you get your grant approved from??? :wink2:

REPLY: I know you are a 25 year old nursing student, but I don't know what degree you are seeking, or where you are in school, or how far you are in the nursing school training, or if you are working yet. Students will be covering this question in most nursing schools, as I did in my nursing labs. You will also be trained in nursing school on how to administer shots and medications. Regarding your question on the difference between a CNA or a PCA/PCT - you can contact the American Red Cross and get the difference between the two on their program, or you can contact other programs in Michigan and ask them that question. If you are seeking a CNA or PCT, I can tell you from personal EXPERIENCE as a CNA in Michigan who spent almost $1,000 for the American Red Cross course and has passed the two State Prometric/Chauncey CNA Exams and who is on the CNA Registry in good standing, that CNAs are NOT trained to distribute medications. I can also tell you from personal EXPERIENCE working in some nursing homes, that RNs and LPNs FREQUENTLY ask CNAs to distribute some medications such as lotions or creams (NOT pills or shots). As far as I am concerned I will NOT administer medications UNTIL I am a LICENSED LPN and RN. As a CNA, I am NOT the one who has access to the complete patient chart, nor am I the one who is responsible for confirming and charting the drug, dose, date, time, patient, physician order, adverse effects, complications, and patient response in the patient chart. I am also not the one who has the extensive training needed to ensure that the patient is not killed or harmed by medications given that are the WRONG drug, WRONG dose, WRONG date, WRONG time, WRONG patient, WRONG physician order! We are dealing with a person's life and death! My rule is the GOLDEN RULE! Would I want an unlicensed, untrained CNA, PCA, PCT giving me, or my husband, or my child, or my parent, potentially fatal drugs in pill or shot forms? Simply... NO! I recently read about a lawsuit against Wal-Mart by the family of a woman who was KILLED by a young girl who was an unlicensed, minimally trained pharmacy technician at Wal-Mart who administered to the woman a 10mg instead of a 1mg of medication that caused massive brain hemorrhage. We all learn in nursing school that even RNs and LPNs make mistakes in giving wrong drugs and wrong doses if they are not careful because of similarities in drugs names and appearances. In nursing school, you will learn that if you give a shot it MUST be given accurately or you can cause permanent damage and disability in the patient if you hit a nerve, bone, or muscle in the wrong way. You will also learn how to administer medications in a proper and "clean" manner to avoid nosocomial infections. There are states that have licensed and trained medication aides. Michigan is not on that list. However, some Michigan nursing homes I have worked at and interviewed with PERSONALLY train "medication techs" to distribute meds and those people are NOT even certified or trained as CNAs! Ultimately, wherever you choose to work is where you will be given the parameters if responsibilities for your position and you should ask this question to your employer. Sadly, you will find (as in every profession and every type of work) people who will cut corners, not follow proper procedures, and take risks. For me, it is a personal choice and personal decision that I make on what responsibilities I perform and how perfectly I perform them. Not everyone will choose that course of action. It takes strength and commitment and ethics to do what is right. If you go to google and type in various forms of the words you will pull up information. You can also go to the MDCH main home page at http://www.michigan.gov/mdch and type in "medication" in the search box to pull up many sources of information. You can also go to the US Dept of Health and Human Services to obtain some accurate answers right from the federal source. I found the following website links that will give you some accurate answers right from the state and federal sources. Note the links on the side of all of these main pages as well for more information. http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce/reports/nursing/lpn/b.htm http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce/reports/nursing/nurseaides/appf.htm http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce/reports/nursinghomeaid/appf.htm http://www.michigan.gov/mdch http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132----S,00.html http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132----S,00.html Have a safe and wonderful life! :wink2:

REPLY: There is NO CATCH! Simply contact the University of Arizona for more details on your questions that are not on their website. This is a completely transparent, open and legitimate wonderful opportunity for those who pursue it and are qualified under this program. On another note, I will not bother to reply to the comments posted here by one poster who has no idea what they are talking about but who looks a gift horse in the mouth and finds unwarranted fault. Your work schedule shifts and your responsibilities with the health care centers and with the hospitals who have been kind and good enough to be part of this wonderful opportunity will be worked out between you and your employer just as any nurse does with ANY and EVERY employer! Personally, I would be delighted to receive a FREE BSN and help the poor and needy at a good hospital or medical center who has that mission and vision - that's is what true nursing is all about for ME! Have a wonderful life! :wink2:

REPLY: Thanks for your thoughts. After I complete the prerequisites for BOTH LPN and RN programs I will be applying to BOTH the LPN program in Auburn Hills and the ADN RN program in Flint and see which one I am accepted in. I am doing the LPN prereqs in winter and the ADN RN prereqs in spring. If Auburn Hills is approved for the ladder program the prereqs for the RN program will be required by the AH ladder program anyway so doing both will benefit me either location. If AH is approived for the ladder program the program will be 12 months for the LPN and then 3 months for the RN completion program for a TOTAL of ONLY 15 months - which is LESS than the 24 month (2 year) RN ADN program at Flint, Clinton Twp, Owosso. I was told my Macomb Comm Coll and Schoolcraft Comm Coll that I could NOT get any financial aid from them because I have many more transfer credits than the federal government allows for financial aid at community colleges. I would hope if they thought I qualified for approval for an exception that they would have told me to apply for it. If anyone has any input that would be appreciated. Have a wonderful life! :wink2:

REPLY: The University of Arizona itself is the best one to answer your questions. Simply go to the University of Arizona website link I supplied above and contact the University directly to have all of your questions answered. The University of Arizona website link I supplied above provides all of the qualifying information most people will need. Have a wonderful life! :wink2:

the university of arizona will give you free tuition providing you with a free accelerated bsn degree, for everyone who is interested in obtaining a bsn program and who has a bachelor degree in another health field! see the following links: university of arizona - http://www.nursing.arizona.edu/bsnprogram.htm the 14-month accelerated partnership program the accelerated partnership bsn program for college graduates is designed for students who have already completed a non-nursing baccalaureate who wish to pursue a career in nursing. this is a 14 month entry level professional nursing program that leads to a bachelor of science in nursing and eligibility to take the national rn licensure examination. the program is sponsored by tucson healthcare agency partners who pay a predetermined amount to cover all teaching costs associated with the program. the partnership program is tuition free made possible through the university of arizona college of nursing's partnership with tucson healthcare agencies: carondelet healthcare network, tucson medical center, northwest medical center and university medical center. all students will enter into an employment commitment with their sponsor agreeing to work as an rn for three years following graduation. if the student fails to meet the commitment then the student will reimburse his/her sponsor in accordance with terms established in an agreement between the students and healthcare sponsor. ++++++++++++++++ yuma daily sun article -- http://www.yumasun.com/articles/career_46759___article.html/changers_helps.html ++++++++++++++++ ana article -- http://www.smartbrief.com/news/ana/storydetails.jsp?issueid=dd53db7c-20e0-48e5-a49c-5bd8522ffc8b&copyid=8d71907d-6d8b-4de6-a32e-fb4e3200f624&brief=ana&sb_code=rss&&campaign=rss +++++++++++++++++ have a wonderful life! :wink2:

REPLY: THE ORIGINAL THREAD IS AT -- https://allnurses.com/michigan-nurses/finally-here-12-a-251840-page16.html Also, since this a No Worker Left Behind - Mich Works program perhaps the info in my two posts at the following thread may help you. Please go to -- https://allnurses.com/michigan-nurses/free-grant-money-356757-page2.html#post3343585 Have a wonbderful life! :wink2:

reply: for those who are interested in trying for this program here are some suggestions that may help you.... 1) not all of the mich works offices operate the same way! you may be discouraged and denied at one, go to another, and be treated well and approved! in other words, if you really need free money and $10,000 is important to you, try and try again. yes, you may likely have to go through orientation, tabe, career scope, all over again because it normally does not transfer between mich works offices - but $10,000 of free grant money is worth the effort. further, it may be beneficial not to mention that you were denied elsewhere and simply start over fresh with a good attitude. 2) nwlb funds are given by individual mich works offices admission boards. so what one mich works office admissions committee may decide may not be what another admissions committee will decide. they decide where to give their money individually - not collectively. 3) the nwlb money is an investment by the state of michigan in people's lives to reduce the unemployed population. you must choose a high demand career where you will be most likely to find good work that will support you and your family. you also must sell the program and the school to your case worker really well - because the case worker has to take your file and sell you and your plan for education and work to the admissions committee for their approval. get the case worker on your side and make it reasonable and rational and load her/him up with facts and evidence that the program and school you want to attend is will really help you!!! 4) yes, nwlb does not pay for prerequisites in many mich works offices - but i have heard that some mich works offices have approved nwlb for people who are doing their prerequisites!!! more info will follow when available. :wink2:

REPLY: Thanks for the clarification. I typed the wrong designation and I appreciate your correction. I also appreciate hearing the good news that the mandatory doctorate of 2015 may become flexible, and that some NPs will be grandfathered in. I pray that I will be one of them! I definitely agree that I would NEVER go to an unaccredited program for a DNP - or even for a MSN - or even for a BSN. I downloaded the AACN-CCNE and NLN and State Boards of Nursing lists of accredited schools/programs some time ago and that is what I use to consider where I attend. There are MANY good schools available for MSN but few yet for DNP. I also agree with you that obtaining the MSN is the best way to go first. Thanks again for the good info! Have a wonderful life! :wink2:

REPLY: That is what I am thinking of doing, the LORD willing, after I complete my RN. Which schools NP programs have you looked at? I understand the accrediting board is demanding a DOCTORATE for a NP in 2015 but that some schools are demanding it now. Will you be pursuing a NP as a MSN or as a PhD? What is your specialty focus for your NP? What are your priorities for your NP? What are your long-term goals? Where do you want to practice? Urban or Rural? Alone, in a clinical, with another NP, in a MD office, in a hospital, in the USA or mission field - etc.? What programs will best meet your long-term goals? :wink2:

REPLY: What do you mean by "are any other great places to work" - how do you define "great"? For me a GREAT place to work is the people and the mission focus of the hospital. For others it is the cutting edge medical techniques. For others it is the benefit package. For others it is the salary. For others it is the locations. etc, etc. Since you said you are moving to Lansing in a few months it sounds like you have accepted the job. What attracted you to the job posting for you to apply in the first place? What do you like about the job? Use the "Ben Franklin" close when making a decision if you choose to use human decision making tools by making a list of PROS and CONS for the decision and list EVERYTHING no matter how small or large in your opinion on one side or the other and then evaluate your decision. Did you apply anywhere else? Were you offered a job anywhere else? What are you seeking on a short-term and a long-term basis? What does Sparrow offer in both those areas that appealed to you? What is the growth potential? Will it provide you with experience in the field you wish to pursue? Are you going for a BSN or a MSN? Will Sparrow support that continuing ed? These are hard decisions and you need to make them thoughtfully and deliberately and responsibly. As you said that is a long way to uproot your life to move to Michigan if you are not certain this is the right choice. Congratulations on passing the NCLEX and becoming a new RN!!!!!!! Have a great life! :wink2:

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reply: all you have to do is ask your own school's financial aid rep these questions and also check at the fafsa website which has a ton - t - o - n - of info. however, i can tell you that you may be using the wrong term. there are federal government subsidized and unsubsidized and perkins student loans which do not come from the state of michigan. there are seog, pell grants and scholarships which come form both the federal government and from michigan. you most likely are thinking about the private student loan michigan alternative student loan (mi-loan) program that michigan used to offer and has discontinued. i suggest that you go to the state websites for the current info at - http://www.michigan.gov/mistudentaid/0,1607,7-128-38195_39199---,00.html http://www.michigan.gov/mistudentaid/0,1607,7-128-38195_39201---,00.html http://www.michigan.gov/mistudentaid/0,1607,7-128-38170_38175_38900---,00.html i urge you to make sure that your fafsa is corect when you resubmit it on january 1st, and i urge you to submit it immediately after 12:00am as soon as the fafsa website is available for the next year so that you will be at the front of the line at your school for pell and perkins money. also, if you think you may want to attend a private school make sure you consider listing them in the #1 place on your fafsa so you will be eligible for the state private school money when it is awarded. however, you need to check with your school on what they require their position to be on your fafsa and if it makes a difference with their award for next year. you can also go to your school's website and view their financial aid website. most schools offer information on student loans. however, i can share with you that unless it is really a matter of life and death, i would strongly urge you not to take out private student loans if at all possible because they are very expensive, and frequently have variable rates, and can drown you in debt. if you must take out private loans you can go to google and check out many lenders, but watch out for the scams. consider a major lender like jp morgan chase bank. sallie mae is very expensive! the secondary money markets for private student loans is drying up because of the global economic crises. that is why private loans are more expensive now and harder to find than they were 1-2 years ago. teri loans were major private loans but they, like michigan, and many other private student loan lenders are closed because of the economic conditions. if you have parents or others who will take the risk of co-signing for you that will open up more doors for you but that puts their credit at great risk if you are ever late or default on the loan - their credit will be ruined along with yours. if there is any way you can make it with no private loans and just use federal money or better yet no loans that is the best way to go. i speak from hard experience. have a great life! :wink2: