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Today they say working with cancer patients etc. but please know these same people will support you not being allowed into the hospital for care or into the grocery store for food if you haven't taken the shot when the time comes . Even if you aren't "free to go elsewhere" by then.

Unfortunately it happens. Even the IPCO texting on days off. It's a real thing.

Not at all. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I have no problem with being asked a question or challenged. I simply have the right to not answer and getting aggressive and pissy about it won't make me forthcoming. I will most likely avoid any future conversations with that person.

Thats not my position at all. My position is that as soon as you call someone an idiot, coward or something else derogatory they stop listening. If you wouldn't use the language or tone with a patient you shouldn't be using it with each other. If you can't express yourself without doing that then thats a problem.

The only thing I've made clear is that respectful communication is needed from both sides. I have made 0 assertions About the vaccine and its efficacy. I have also not cited any sources addressing the vaccine and why someone should or should not receive it. You have no idea what I believe and you have no idea why.

You have no idea what I believe or its source. It does prove my point so thank you.

Excellent point. People aren't as omnipotent as they think. There are many folks who can lie with a straight face and no flinching.

I think you are intentionally missing what I am saying. I mentioned the right to not discuss it either way. To put it more simply "none of your business" when asked. If someone is for or against it they are only asking to see if you give what they consider the "right" answer before drama ensues.

No and that was part of my point. There is this blatant lie that people on one side are "rabid and aggressive" while another is speaking lovingly about the data with only respect.

I'm claiming the side that doesn't see room for name calling amongst professionals. This thread wasn't about pro/anti vax. It was about the right to privacy whether you are vaccinated or not.

If a nurse is capable of bullying and demeaning a colleague because they don't agree with them then why is it so far fetched to imagine a patient being treated the same way?

Its interesting that unvaccinated folks are characterized as rabid, idiotic and aggressive. The pro-vaxxers are no better with their condescension and name calling. MAYBE some unvaccinated folks aren't comfortable talking because no one likes a pushy, judgmental know it all in their business or their face. I envision doing this to a patient who declines. Nurses would be appalled but have NO issue doing it to each other.

So some people actually assert that fear and misinformation are the only possible reasons someone would refuse the vaccine. Thats an interesting position. You are relegating that person to the categories of coward or idiot. That explains the attitude towards them.

I didn't question vaccines being mandated or post some angry, emotional rant. I simply asked what other nurses thought of basically surrounding a nurse and pointing in shame because you don't agree with their choice regarding vaccination. I didn't cry about it or text my mommy, I just asked fellow nurses their thoughts. I also don't desire or require agreement. I just wanted opinions.

I understand. I didn't take issue with my vaccination status being discussed, I took issue with saying 3 times during the interview and offer that it was a "personal choice" and "something we don't push on anyone" because "nurses are people first" only to have him attempt this. I spent my time sacrificing my life, family time and image on the altar of nursing and I'm done. I have valid personal reasons for not taking it and I'm not ashamed. I'm a nurse but I don't owe nursing my life. Thanks for your reply.

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I didn't come close to "having a stroke over it". After stints in psych, military hospitals and corrections it takes A LOT to even get on my radar. I just wanted the opinions of fellow nurses. It felt like another shift in nursing where the value and view of nurses is changing once again.

It wasn't a clarification ask, it was a "do tell, explain to the class" ask. When I wouldn't elaborate he got ticked off. I get it I just don't agree with the tactic. I don't do anything to my fellow nurses I wouldn't do to a patient.

I don't understand your response. I did complete the health form. The vaccine is optional with this employer. I also don't understand the cat comment in relation to this situation but thanks for commenting.

In general orientation after everyone has completed their health forms before lunch. After lunch the IC nurse is reviewing the forms and pipes up to the group (consisting of all departments not just nursing) "So Amanda, you haven't had the covid vaccine?" Gee Riley, is that a discussion for the whole group? "Well on Fridays all staff can go without masks and wear vaccinated tees that we gifted them with and there's a check mark sticker on their badge so everyone will know anyway." I respond oh, OK. No snark no sarcasm. Riley gets edgy and goes on a 5 minute rant that starts with don't you care about your patients you took an oath and ends with flu season is coming, how well do you think it will go for you if you get COVID, the flu and rsv at once? No response given because I felt that the entire exchange was unprofessional and chose to not participate. 1. I am not a crybaby or snowflake. I am a vet and have been doing this a long time. I don't react out of feelings and this seemed overboard. 2. An employer has the right to set any rules they like. This includes the free I'm vaccinated tees and going maskless on Fridays. The check ✔ on the badges feels a little red A to me but still their choice. 3. Does the average nurse here think this tactic is OK? I understand wanting every nurse to choose vaccination but is trying to publicly embarrass them OK as well? I welcome all points of view but name calling and insults aren't welcomed or tolerated. Thanks guys.

I too may be joining Spring 2021. I am a bit nervous. I have a LOT of responsibility at home. ?

Pay them extra when precepting and lighten their patient load because a shift takes twice as long when you have to train someone.

I have witnessed this before. The CNO was one of those straight through to MSN/MBA people who never worked as a nurse. She was clueless about what the job actually entailed. You just cannot teach what being a nurse is LIKE from books. Hang in there.

Orientation is a trial period for employer and employee, not an actual job. I do have to be honest though, telling me that you don't know what xx units of insulin looks like would scare me. If you can read the syringe and know how to draw up insulin...Hope it works out for you.

It doesn't matter if you are new. I had been a loyal employee at my job for years when I got married. I even had the DON offer me his office and computer to order wedding supplies since I was in the building so much working OT to pay for it. THREE days before my wedding the state surveyors show up. He had the audacity to call me and tell me that ALL pto had been cancelled and that he expected me to report for my 11-7 shift on Friday night when my wedding was at 10am on Saturday. He told me to abbreviate my bachelorette party by cutting it off at 10p on Friday so I could get to work and that I would have plenty of time to get ready after working all night. No one from the job showed up to my wedding because he told everyone that if I did not show I was fired. I only tell you this to help you realize that a job is just that. If you are as upset as you seem you will not get over this and will never be happy there. Resign two weeks before the wedding and enjoy your new life or suck it up and move the wedding. If you move the wedding do not hold a grudge or you will lose the job anyway. Either decision is valid. Even if he did not fire me I wouldn't have stayed there long after that.