4nomark

Hi, I am responding to the thread that was posted about my husbands comment which I think was taken out of context and / or mistaken for the comment by someone else. I happend to receive a reply from our email about a post so I read it and find out that the discussion is about me so to speak. Kudos to "TheCommuter," you r correct in guessing this is a career change for both of us. I think the subject got off of track when my husband was agreeing with everyone else on how lpns are of value too, and mentioned how i was in lpn school and that he took offense to someone attacking lpns and me. anyway, the thread got off track and got on to something about us having kids, no class and no education, etc. Well, we do have education (degree). Again, this is a career change for me and we both r educated as well. I came from the corporate sector network computers, facilities telecommunications and project managing. Due to the economy I was let go and had to make a decision of what was next. Since my husband and I are not quitters and believe in taking care of our children, not working is not an option, plus we wanted to keep what we have aquired, etc. I chose the Medical field so I would not have the rug pulled from under me so to speak again and would always be marketable, and what better market then "Nursing!" So, off to lpn school I went and because of my schooling I transferred some credits and my school time will be shorter than others. Once done and because I will be a lpn, its off to the fast track one year RN program for me which wont be hard for me to get into or a waiting list because guess what, I am an lpn. So, I don't know how we (I) became the topic so to speak, but yes we are educated, but life happens and instead of rolling or dropping off we just rolled with it in another direction. So, I am pretty sure he will respond later on while I am studying on my way to start the day early in the morning again, and you all can pick up where you left off. I just wanted to clear things up and get you all off of my husband (smiling), and back on to the original post about an RN or someone making a "lpn are lower class people" comment. Thanks 4nomark's wife!

My wife and I have three children all under the age of six, my wife drives from Detroit,MI to Ohio everyday to attend LPN school. Currently she leaves the house at 6am to get to school by 8am and gets back home at 7pm to study usually untill midnight. I attending school to become an RN, she going this route so that she can immediately start working not because she's less intelligent, moral, or valuable than anyone else. I don't know if many women could do what she does and still find time to attend church, care for the children and sometimes cook, I also take on many other chores such as dishes, washing, etc. we do this to support one another. If I heard anyone insinuate that my wife was a lower class person I'd probably have a flashback to Bierut on their a@@ and it wouldn't matter if they were male or female. They would witness a very direct Marine Corps verbal teardown and I wouldn't even have to curse.

Re: slave labor Quote: Originally Posted by NicoleRN07 Let's see.....I began working when I was 16 years old. I started working a full time job after high school so I could pay my way through nursing school, and halfway support myself, so yes, I have quite a bit of work experience other than nursing! I guess I was just raised differently than all of you. Whining and complaining gets you no where in life! I am a happy person, and I do not dwell on the negatives in life or my job!!! If I did, I would probably be a psych patient! I love nursing, and I am thankful that I have a job that I don't dread going to everyday!! Not many people can say that! I may have only had 7 years nursing experience thus far, but I am not naive!! I know my limits, and I do not need anyone to tell me what they are or judge me for my personal opinions. When one person complains, it starts a chain reaction. All of your peers begin to complain about working conditions, management, staffing, breaks, etc, etc, etc, thus decreasing the morale of everyone around you. That's what's wrong with nursing! Unhappy nurses make even more unhappy nurses, and I am not willing to sacrifice my happiness in my career for anyone!! erdiane asks, "what happened?" and others ask themselves the same question; well here is the root of your problems to one extent. If you do not complain to management about working conditions, breaks, and even management themselves how are you ever going to effect a positive change in your work environement, imagine the insult you feel when people tell you that what is very real and legitimante to you is "whining and complaining" not only will you hear this from management but from nurses within your own ranks that feel like it's a non issue if they can't agree with the issues you raise. There's mention of a chain reaction but we need to understand that when Nurses stand up for their rights and fellow nurses back then up then yes you do start a chain reaction, but a chain reaction for positive change and accountability from management. But, alas this is only a dream because the very nurses in your ranks undermine you and make you appear to be the bad guy . How dare you say something is wrong in shangri-la and you want everything that was promised you when you took the job or you want adequate compensation when you routinely don't get the things you were promised. Untill nurses stick together you gets NOTHING but what management is forced to give you. Say you are a non union hospital and two or three nurses decide enough is enough and they want their lunch break, 15 min break, etc and they approach management, where is the power these nurses have not only to have their greivance heard but also to keep their jobs after management labels them "Bad Apples" and starts the process of making them "disappear". So,not to stray to unions I go back to nurses who undermine any nurse or nurses who want to effect any type of change, untill these nurses are gone, mature up, or experrience life at middle age with a middle age body then any change is hampered at the source because some Nurse will always say your fight is not my fight, your opinion is not my opinion so therefore you are on your own because I don't think anything is wrong with our treatment. Sounds like the Stockholm syndrome.

To those that herald the war cry "Everything for my Patients", and breaks aren't important, please don't be offended when I say you are either young or naive. If you look at other posts you'll see nurses complaining of bad backs, bad shoulders, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc. The wear and tear on your body is culminating and one year all those missed opportunities to rest and rejuvenate are going to cost you dearly. When you tell your facility you can no longer work w/o breaks because of past injuries they may tell you tough t###y, look at that 25 year old nurse down the hall she dosen't need a break, get over it your patients come first. I understand at times you may not get a break but that should be an exception not the norm. I must agree with some posters in that more men do need to come into this field because we would tolerate this for only so long, no disrespect meant to the assertive nurses. To anyone whose ever had their back go out, you know that when your back says it needs a break and you ignore it there is going to be a price to pay. I once spent nearly a year in physical therapy because I did not listen to my body and take a break. You can be in the middle of a code, operation, etc and if your back truly goes out you are going to fall like a sack of potatoes, how is that benefitting your patients, co-workers, or yourself. Nurse NEED breaks and they should be getting them.

Not Racist but very Discriminatory!! I loathe people who are intolerant and/or judgemental, I've been called the "N" word by whites and treated unfairly by some other groups of people mainly phillipinos. I try not to be guilty of these same behaviors but truthfully sometimes I am. When I make the following statement I don't make it because of my race or socioeconomic status but because of my citizenship as an American Citizen. I live in a country where everyone attempting to come here illegally or legally knows english is the language of the land so what type of mentality would make some people come here with the attitude that this country owes it to them to change the language from english to spanish. Before some people say that this isn't so, ask many people who've worked with some spanish speaking people who absolutely refuse to learn the english language. So after I work my butt off to earn a degree and become qualified in my own country to work I find out there are areas of America where I may be hindered from employment not because of race or criminal background but because I don't speak a foreign language to work in the United States!! I know Nurses like to say the bottom line is PT care and I agree 99.9% of the time, but sometimes you have to say that some things have gone too far and if speaking spanish becomes mandatory to work in some areas of this country things have gotten way out of hand. Now, I'm studying spanish because I believe that some areas of the country will become spanish speaking only, but that dosen't mean I think it's right, I think I just see the handwriting that's on the wall. I'm going to say something about being "Protectionist" in terms of immigration. America is a lifeboat in a sea of countries that are failing their citizens but everyone knows that if you let everyone swamp that lifeboat it is going to turn over and everyone ends up drowning so someone has to say how many and when they can get on that boat, this is what legal immigration attempts to do. When we continually cater and enable people to break our laws both immigration and criminal and turn a blind eye we can no longer point the finger at someone else because we can't get a decent job in our own country if we don't speak spanish. I think that public sector workers, first responders, public safety officers, etc. should be commeded for taking the time to learn spanish in order to better serve a segment of our population but I would never say they should have a hard time working in America if they don't. Again, I don't mean this to sound racist because that's not my intent. I look forward to hearing other opinions and apologize to any whose feelings I may inadvertently hurt.

If people want to stay in the room...I am making the assumption it is to support the patient or comfort them....they will do so from the head of the bed. The doctor and I have a job to do....I don't need anyone standing in my way. That will not change. If the husband, 4 year old child, father in law etc wants to view the lady parts/cervix that won't be happening while I am the nurse in the room. Liz In that case I would insist that you NOT be the Nurse in the room. Yes, I'm there to provide support and encouragement to my wife but our relationship takes no back seat to your opinion of where I may stand as long as I'm not in your way. I've been present at my wife's exam's and never had I problem being at the rear of the bed off to the side of the Doctor and Nurse. The Doc even explained what and why she was doing what she was doing and asked if I had any questions. My wife and I decided prior to the Doc coming in the room that if there were questions she didn't want me to hear the answer to just wink at me or tell me to leave for a minute. I believe there are some situations where a teenaged son or other male family member may make ME uncomfortable with their presence but I understand that's my personal sense of what is appropriate and the PT may have a different perspective.

All of my posts are always Pro-Union because I look at the history of Big Business and Corporations in this country and the trend of low balling workers compensation packages is nothing new in these last couple of years. Many Nurses and others believe that a Degree and Professional accredidations mean that employers will only treat and consider them with the utmost respect when discussing or negotiating matters of compensation but nothing is farther from the truth. Something I would encourage everyone to read is the articles in this link. Not all the articles are union related but all the articles show the hidden costs when Unions aren't allowed fair and open access to all classes of worker. http://northbayclc.home.mindspring.com/martybennett.html

I believe you did what was not only professionally necessary but morally needed. I think that it was wrong for us as Americans to demonize and stereotype people from the middle east as bloodthirsty terrorist as a whole. I do believe we have radical elements in this country who seek to destroy the fabric of democracy and because of that we must be vigilante while at the same time fair. This young ladie's attitude reminded me of the way all japanese people were branded as untrustworthy and threats to the nation before thet were rounded up, stripped of their businesses and livelihood's and shipped off to America's concentration camps although we called it by another name. Later on some of these same japanese became the most decorated war veterans in this nation's armed services during WW 2. I could cite how Blacks were routinely denied access to any type of medical care no matter the severity of their conditions. The point I want to make is that we are obligated to treat everyone to the best of our ability and provide medical treatment to all unless that treatment is unethical in nature. This young lady decided to stereotype someone she knew nothing of and refuse him care because of her personal prejudice, yes I think she deserves to be fired because this person had serious injuries and she decided his life was not worth protecting. I'm also a christian and unfortunately some of us only practise part of GOD'S teachings and forget some other parts.

Originally Posted by PeachPie Good for you!!!!!!!!! I find it barbaric to do that to a baby. Teach him how to clean himself as he gets older, as men aren't taught how to properly clean themselves. That's why you'll find skid marks in underwear and towels Is this a stereotype you learned or did someone pass it down to you? As a Man I would always choose to circ my sons for a number of reasons. Fungal infections require three conditions to thrive; heat, moisture, and darkness. What better environement then the enclosed space of the area between foreskin and member gland. Even if a man is very fastidious in his personal hygeine he won't be able to keep that area completely free of those three conditions, even more difficult is if the man is very active. I may be wrong on this point but I seem to recall an article where uncirc males had a higher incidense of infections in that area versus uncirc males. It would be much more painful for an adult to undergo circ because of the matured nerve endings and healing process,also the man would have to avoid any type of erection and any man will tell you sometimes erections are just spontaneous. For some people it it also a matter of appearance, many won't say it but in this country uncirc member is viewed as ugly and/or dirty. I'm not saying that's my personal opinion one way or another, but it is what it is. Not to get off point but I would like to know, do many women have these types of beliefs or stereotypes about men, and wouldn't your education sort of enlighten you, I ask because in one of my Nursing classes a woman actually asked the Instructor, If a younger woman sleeps with an older man will she get worms? This is someone who others will see as a resevoir of health knowledge in her community. But to the original question, as a man I would say circ for your son's benefit. http://www.circlist.com/anatterms/balanitis.html This article may also be interesting to you, however a poster named Ramesh makes a crude reference to his member; I don't know if he did this intentionally or just being ignorant of proper terms. Please overlook his wording.

"What's the hardest thing about nursing at WCCCD?" For everyone it will be different, for me it is simply staying motivated. Understand that in my opinion WCCCD attempts to teach from a "common sense" perspective first and then dive into the intricacies of the subject being taught. This gives the student the perspective of being able to comprehend on a common sense level and then on a more complex level. I find that the more questions you ask the more explanation and detail will be given to you. You are going to get as much or as little as you ask for; however non motivated students will constantly fall to the wayside.

Can anyone tell me if petaluma is a nice area to live in and can Nurses afford to live there. What does the salary for Nurses in the area average. I just got finished working at Vandenburg Med Cntr near vacaville and explored the area on the weekends. My only fear is that I won't be able to afford the lifestyle that I can provide for my family in Detroit. Nurses are you living well in California. Thanks for your replies.