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What are you thoughts are these companies... high liability for the nurses?

My current insuance NSO doesn't have coverage for corrections... called Proablility and they don't have coverage for corrections any more either... Recently got hired as a corrections RN for a MN county and will be pulled to more then one county jail as well as being on call for more then one county jail... from what I am noticing from researching the internet as well as what I am seeing from working in this position it appears to be a risk of nurses getting drawn into a law suit... really thinking I need to get some type of liability insurance beside what I have. Anyone know of any companies that will cover correctional RNs?

I am an associate degree RN that is currently in that program to obtain a BSN and I haven't been very impressed with it. For the Lpn to Bsn it maybe a good program but for the Rn they don't seem to acknowledge you as an RN nor your past RN work and school experiences. The classes so far have been pretty similar as to what I had taken in my 2 yr rn program. They have 3 classes that supposely can be challenged by RN's but I get the impression they try to discourage people from doing that. I have been told I have to take some general classes that I had taken before. Have been told more then once that some of my past generals from NDSU aren't enough because they aren't jr and sr level classes.. I often feel like I am putting alot of time and effort into these classes for pretty much what I already have had. You would think it would be easy then.. but from my experience it hasn't been easy. I have been working anywheres from 24 to 40 hours or more a wk.. The more hours I work, the harder it is to get the assignments ect.. done... and/or to do well on them and the exams.

lvnbsn2, the lpns are taking classes with the assoc rn for their bsn. This school has a lpn to bsn and a rn to bsn program. Alot of the rn to bsn classes are what the lpn to bsn is taking. Thus you have Assoc rns who have already taken the rn boards and lpns who have to take their rn boards when they are done with the program.

From what I am experiencing you might be better off to do a lpn program and then get into a bsn program from there... Perhaps a one yr lpn program and do the bsn.. I know of alot of people that have a hard time getting into a 4 yr school's bsn program but are able to get in after they completed a lpn program. I don't think I would suggest the assoc degree rn to bsn route.. I have my assoc rn and have been looking for a online rn to bsn program. The ones I have looking at are requiring me to take alot of generals over... stating they aren't enough credits or not high enough level. Saw some syballuses from one school of their nursing classes and it didn't look any different from what I had taken. Asked about challenging some of them and got told that they had some at bs level that one would have in the assoc level..hmmm... interesting too is that at this school they had lpns taking pretty much the same classes for their bsn. Been finding out that what may look like 30 credits is more like 40 or more... ends up being more then 2 yrs.. which after going for 2 yrs for assoc lpn degree and then 1 yr for the assoc rn, I think is it absurbed that you have to take another 2 to 3 on top of that to the bsn...

also wouldn't be bad if the employers were more willing to do the tutition rebursement thing..

Vic Rn, yeah.. this is how i am feeling and I haven't even started the program yet.. just hard to swallow pay for all these classes just so I have an extra edge for more possible job opportunities... now if I was guarrenteed to get a raise that wouldn't be so bad but here I am thinking of taking these classes because it will make me more competitive in getting future jobs.. ugh.. I live a rural area so I perhaps don't necessarily need a bsn but yet I know if there is something that comes up that it is between another person and I that the one with bsn will get it..

It is like that alot of schools are taking advantage of the supposely nursing shortage so they popping with rn programs all over the place... some of them I question if people would even hire a person knowing they are from a business college type of school.. I also get the impression that alot of universities ect.. are seeing the rn to bsn as a opportunity to get money out of person. Wouldn't so bad if they wouldn't try to get one to take a bunch of generals that they have already taken. I have been telling people lately to not even do the associate degree rn program.. been telling them that they are perhaps better with lpn to bsn instead thru a university that has bsn program. Have noticed alot of people have a tough time getting into 4 yr programs so they opt for doing a lpn program first and then are able to get into a bsn program.

Ever notice too, that alot of these online programs such as Kaplan, university of phoenix ect.. that they list on this website and others don't ever just list the infor, they ask you infor.. I did that one time and got a bunch of phone calls from various ones trying to get me to go into their program. I ended up on the phone for 2 hrs with one of them, I think it was university of phoenix, they didn't tell me the cost nor how many credits ect I needed until the end of the phone call.. from what I remember it was 20k for one yr of classes. I was like uffda... they kept calling me to get into their program and I kept telling them I wasn't interested..

houtx, It really makes one feel like they all in it to try to get more money off of a person.. after you start to think of the time and money that it will take to acheive the bsn, you start to think you should have went to med school instead... 5 to 6 yrs to get a bsn? I think that is terrible. Sad thing that alot of these programs make it look like it is only 20, 30 credits over 2 yrs... then you find it is much more then that... really makes me mad... sad thing is that you then start to wonder how you can justify paying that much in loans back for what you are to be earning...

mn nurse, wouldn't be so bad if one hadn't already gotten an associate degree from a 2 yr lpn program and then went another yr to get an associate degree for the RN. I have a total of 3 yrs in. These 2 programs had pre req. If I had known it would require me to take another 2 yrs or more to get the bsn then I would have just tried to get into a bsn program in the first place. Almost want to say that doing a lpn to bsn would take less number of yrs.

Any one else feeling that rn to bsn programs are a scam.. recently have looked into 2 online rn to bsn programs from 2 state universities.. one was 20 nursing credits, the other was 27 credits.. after they went thru my transcripts it ended up being that I needed to take a bunch more of generals.. seems like they try to get more money out of you by making you take more generals.. quite few of these were classes I had already taken, they told me that it wasn't high enough level. It really peveed me off... what I thought would be 1 yr on top of the 3 yrs I have already gone for my associate Rn ends up being another 2 to 3 yrs... what a joke.. I almost get the impression they really want to sock it to the associate degree Rn. Then I noticed that the one program I checked into that you are taking classes lpns who are doing the lpn to bsn program. The syllabus from these classes look very similar to what I have already taken.. when asked if you can challenge the course they tell you that there is stuff covered at the BSN level that you didn't get in the associate program..I am like these lpns are gonna take the same nclex I took and the infor in the classes is infor you need to know to pass the nclex. Any one else experience this or am I the only one that feels this way?

When I work pm shift there is 1 nurse for 35 residents, 2 eight hr cnas and 2 cnas that go home at 730 and 9pm, unit clerk that is there something like 4 to 8. Gets to be a busy shift for I am setting up and passing meds till 5 pm or so, dinner break and then it is passing meds till 7 pm... with cathing residents, feeding tube assessments, ect.. many times it leaves about an hr or so to do charting on a good nite... Nite shift there is 1 nurse and 2 cnas for 35 residents.. At another place I had worked at I had for pm shift a med aide to pass meds.. no unit clerk..same number of cnas, all I can say I sure do appreciate having the med aide.. Nite shift at the other place had 1 nurse and 1 cna for 35 residents... sure do appreciate having the 2nd cna with the first facility mentioned...

I often wonder this because where I am at, I am often wonder if the state is not strict enough with the survey.

I am often disappointed with the activity department where I am at. I feel that they could be doing a lot more then what they are doing. Right now it doesn't appear to be much. I used to work activities in a nursing home in a different state and where I am at now not is not the same.. I often wonder how the home gets by with out getting a deficiency in the activities dept on their surveys. I often wonder that they don't even include that dept in the survey. Many times I will see them doing something with the active, mobile, alert residents and nothing with the inactive, immobile, non-alert residents. So many times when I have worked a pm shift a lot of the residents are in bed sleeping till supper time and then they are gotten up and then when they are done with supper they are put to bed. I often wonder it is no wonder why we get residents at night that aren't sleeping. They spend most of their day in bed, sleeping.

Where I am at it seems like alot of the places are being picky as to who they pick and they are taking a bsn over the asn. I had been told more then by one person that the one hospital that I have applied at that they don't even look at the 2 yr rn. They are trying to get magnet status and they only want to hire bsn.. pretty crappy I say..

totallackofsurprise, what you have stated is good infor.. I wonder too if there is a short fall with the counselling after hospital discharge. I told her that since she isn't able to get into therapy right away that perhaps she needs to call the crisis hotline number when she is feeling down. She had stated she didn't feel comfortable talking to them.. but yet I wonder if she just isn't wanting to do the counseling.

Yeah.. this is pretty much what is going on.. this gal doesn't have any family here. They are in the other side of the united states. I work with her alot, most of the time and have lent a listening ear to her because of that fact. She is also a single parent. I do question at times thou if she is being manipulative as to get attention. She is a bit of a drama queen. She called again the other day and I told her that she should really be talking to a counselor. From what she says she hasn't had any therapy yet. Really wierd because I would have thought that once she was discharged from the hospital that she would have these sessions already set up. She had an appt lined up but it sounds like they gave her the run around and no counselling. At times I have noticed that some of the stuff she says don't really make sense so I wonder if she is making stuff up to gain attention. I have been trying to distance my self more.. at one time for a while she would call me 4 to 5 times a day and that was sometimes when I was scheduled to work with her that nite. This was when she was supposely in a crisis.. she doesn't handle criticism well. If someone rides her at work she thinks they don't like her and/or are targeting her. At times she will ask people if they are mad at her. Seems like I am always explaining to her the why of these things... In a recent conversation with her she made it sound like that with because of her recent hospitalization that she wasn't able to do some of her job tasks. Sounded like she was trying to use it as reason to do less.

Where I am at I have noticed lately that the cna's now think that the nurse should be answering their lights even when they are having a quiet shift. Got one shift that the cnas only will answer their own lights on their list because they feel that they will get behind if they are answering everyone else's. They leave supplements to the nurse to give, walking residents to the nurse to do. Had a Cna a couple of times try to tell me that the nurse is to give the supplements, walk someone.. I think it all comes down to that they don't want to waste their time doing it so they try to leave it to the nurse.. I believe in team work but I just get the impression that once you start helping them out that they start to expect that you are to help them all the time and/or will try to take advantage of the nurse.

I have no problem staying awake on the shift it is on my days off that really messes with me.. I end up staying stuck in that nite shift mode and can't adjust. It is depressing and frustrating when I am off because I feel like I am sleeping all the time. Have recently been rotating and still having the problem. I like nite shift but I hate it when I am off..

Just wondering if anyone has found that if they helped cna's on the floor with answering lights, assisting them with putting residents to bed with lifts if eventually they expect the nurse to help them. This helping out is done when the nurse is having some down time..

I didn't give out my phone number. The schedule has everyone's number on it. This person calls everyone. She didn't call me until I started working nites with her. At first it wasn't often but as time as gone on it has gotten more so. I never worked with her as a CNA but on nites since there is only one cna on we are to help them out with answering lights. I requested to work a different shift and the next time she calls I am gonna tell her I that she needs to talk to a counsellor, find a support group somewheres. The last time I talked to her she made it sound like she was gonna use her recent hospitalization as an excuse to do less work. Gonna also tell her that is the impression I got from her. I never have tried to make friends with her. Over time it is like she just latched on.. she tells everyone her problems.. almost too open that I wonder if it is more so to get attention.

I work nites with only one CNA. We work alot with each other. She is a single parent who isn't from the area and doesnt have any family in the area. She's been dealing with alot of problems at home with one of her kids.. I hear alot about her problems.. she calls me alot at home.. almost daily. She recently had been admitted to the hospital for a couple of days or so for some type of mental illness.. I always wondered if she had some type of personality disorder. I am suspecting she is histonic. She seems to have alot of the symptoms except for dressing sexual and flirting.. She always seems to have some type of drama in her life. Anyways.. it seems like lately she has bonded too much with me to the point that it is really starting to bother me... After her hospitalization she came to work and was telling staff and some of the nursing home residents that she was in the hospital.. some of them she told what for, some she hasn't. I am getting the impression she is doing it to get attention. Any ideas, suggestions?

Just wondering if it is the same/common for all nursing homes to have alot of call ins with cna staffing, lack of support from DON, ADON, administator when trying to fill cna staffing needs, hiring alot of Cnas with poor work ethic and/or call in alot, give the impression along as it is a warm body they don't care with the type of care they give...

Seen a position opening for an RN for director of health services in a 50 apartment complex for assisted living.. noticed it required being on call.. They are the only nurse on staff. The facility trains their own staff to do resident care and pass meds.. rn sets the meds up. Staff isn't lincensed as cna or med tech with the state. was told that staff can call the Rn at any time when they off about falls, chest pain, low blood sugars ect.. to ask what they should do. Interested in what people's experiences or knowledge is about working in this position in assisted living.. What kind of salary do the Rn, and people doing the care, meds get? Is there a high turnover?