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On August 12 I got an email saying my application got forwarded to a hiring manager but nothing before or since then.

I've got 50+ applications submitted to Sutter Health in their Bay Area hospitals for Staff Nurse 1/New grad positions, some of which are over 30 days old at this point (all say "Application has been received and is under review). I feel like my resume is quite strong with 20+ years of other career experience and I have a BSN from a highly ranked public school but it's out of state and my address is still out of state. So far I've gotten about 20 form rejections directly from HR without any advancement to a unit hiring manager. I've also gotten rejected by Kaiser and CommonSpirit for their residency programs. I'm just wondering if HR checks or uses an applicant's address to filter out applications (or if that's even allowable)? I can't think of any other reason why I'm getting auto-rejected by HR. I feel like I've hit the buzz words in my resume for the ATS software. I'm just wondering if I should go about finding a Bay Area address to put down in my application or if that will create problems with application mailings and stuff like that if I make it further through the application process.

I noticed Staff Nurse I positions at Sutter Health positions in California say less than 1 year experience. I'm a new grad without ANY healthcare experience. Am I wasting 2 minutes of my time submitting my application to the much more numerous entry level Staff Nurse 1 but not new grad positions at Sutter or other health care facilities? I saw a message board post saying that Sutter would already have a candidate in mind when they posted single opening positions for new grads on their jobs website so I'm unsure if I'm chasing after a job that doesn't actually exist. Maybe going after the more numerous Staff Nurse 1 positions is a better and more fruitful endeavor?

Oh nevermind further down it says relevant department certifications so I'm guessing it may just be a requirement after you get hired into a specific unit.

Does anyone actually have an ACLS certification like it says is required in the application? I can understand BLS, but a several hundred dollar advanced course for a new grad nurse seems excessive as a prerequisite to apply.

I'm hoping to apply for the November 2023 cohort and I am wondering if any of you July cohort applicants were not BLS or ACLS certified? In the application checklist it says they are recommended but not required. My BLS has expired since graduating and I'm wondering if I should renew it before I apply or possibly even do my ACLS. However, if people got offers without being certified or if the VA will offer/pay for the training I'd prefer to hold off.

I don't think so? https://www.pleasantonweekly.com/news/2022/04/10/thousands-of-stanford-and-packard-nurses-vote-to-authorize-strike This says Valleycare nurses aren't covered under the recent CBA. I saw something from April 2020 saying Valleycare nurses just ratified a CBA through the CNA but they don't seem to provide links on their website. https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/stanford-valleycare-nurses-ratify-new-contract-overwhelming-majority

Does anyone have a link to their current nursing collective bargaining agreement?

What are the uniform requirements for clinicals? I found a sale on white work shoes/sneakers in my size and was debating getting them but unsure if there is a color requirement or other requirement.

OK thanks. That's a bit of a bummer but oh well. I tried calling but the financial aid office appears to be closed and it goes to voicemail or asking to say the last name of the voicemailbox you want to reach. I guess I'm just going to submit the deposit and hope for the best as far as aid.

Do we have to accept our offer before we know what our financial aid package is? Has anyone who got bumped into the class from the waitlist heard anything about financial aid either before they accepted and paid the down payment or after they accepted/paid?

CONGRATS JUUL! I missed a call a little bit ago from a Baltimore area code that I was wondering if it was from UMSON but just got an email acceptance asking to call to discuss next steps. I'll call once I'm done my class lecture. My application still says committee review.

Thanks!

Students who have gotten accepted/provisionally accepted: is a deposit due when you accept within the 14 days of your acceptance email (or letter)? If so, how much is it? I'm trying to be as prepared as possible in case I get bumped into the provisionally accepted pile from the waitlist. Thanks and CONGRATS on your acceptance!

True. But now I feel like I'll be anxious for months until I get an offer or denial. When someone gets an acceptance letter please let us know when your decision is due and/or when your deposit is due - thanks!

If you log into your application account mine changed from 'complete' this morning sometime to 'committee review' now after I got the wait list email at 3:25PM. Perhaps they are doing it in batches or sending out emails one-by-one.

Not sure. I seem to recall looking through previous years that 'Committee Review' or 'Committee Ready' stuck around for a while. But with the pandemic and admissions people likely working from home who knows how things have changed. I was reading an article the other day saying admissions departments are having a hard time figuring out acceptance numbers and whatnot given possible travel and visa bans affecting foreign students, potential personal fears about the continuing pandemic even come August/September, and possible financial stresses due to unemployment affecting parents' and students' college decisions. The article was stating that was generally making schools LESS selective so that has me more bummed now, but who knows what is going on at UMSON. Maybe they're being very conservative with how they dole out guaranteed admissions slots and then will likely use a larger pool of waitlisted students? That's my hope I'm clinging to at least. Then again maybe they just wanted to see more of my current class GPA as I have 3 of my 7 prerequisites still in progress and my undergrad GPA wasn't that hot (a 3.07). I feel like my TEAS, essays, and resume were excellent/unique but who knows.

It says 'Committee Review' now. When I checked earlier today it was still showing 'Completed' as it has since I finished the application.

I just got a waitlist email a few minutes ago from UMSON for the Baltimore campus ?

Yeah I’m worried about this as well as I finish up my last semester of prerequisites. I haven’t seen any info from the nursing school that I applied to but then again things are still pretty early and admission letters still haven’t been sent out yet.

It's the only school I'm applying to as well (Baltimore campus). I'm currently taking my last three prerequisites (A&P II, Chem, Human Growth & Development). 3.5 science GPA in A&P I and Microbio. Probably around a 3.7 for prerequisites as a whole. I'm an adult learner eleven years out of undergrad (3.06 GPA - I never anticipated going back to school so didn't prioritize as much as I should have ?). 92% on my TEAS but I will probably retake it if I don't get accepted once I finish A&P II as there were a few questions I guessed at that are going to be covered this semester (got an 85% on the Science part) I'm hoping an adult male with two wildly different former careers will boost my chances and make up for my sub-par undergrad GPA. ?

I do not disagree that medical school is very competitive and the schooling is likely much harder as well as longer. What I'm questioning though is if nurse practitioners (and PAs) provide the same level of care as physicians do within their area of practice and expertise, why are they accepting of a much lower salary? A stock analyst at JP Morgan isn't going to get paid twice as much as his coworker because he went to Harvard compared to Mid-central State University. This is a pretty lengthy read and is one of many, but it generally backs up the assertion that that PAs and NPs can deliver care more efficiently. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3903046/ I don't have access to the complete article, but the abstract claims that medical outcomes for NPs was comparable to MDs (I've seen several other studies claiming the same) https://www.npjournal.org/article/S1555-4155(13)00410-8/abstract I agree that online and direct entry nursing programs appear to be problematic. In fact, I looked into them as an option and ruled them out and have decided to get my BSN first (traditional brick and mortar school) and work in the field for a few years as an RN. I spoke with a good friend who works as a pediatric NP and she recommended against that route which also appears to follow a lot of the advice I see on nursing message boards like this one. However, I also have another friend who did a direct entry midwife program at Duke and while she said the first year or so was tough and stressful, she's been handling it fine. The pediatric NP works at a rural hospital with two physicians who each are on call for a week at a time. She doesn't know exactly how much her two physician co-workers make, but she is filling the same role they are when she is working. Market driven pay would make it so that these minimally prepared NPs either don't find jobs, or get paid that the level of their qualifications and skill dictates. The stats I see are that there are substantially more physicians than NPs and PAs. As of 2018, there are 270,000 licensed NPs and 115,000 PAs compared to right around 1,000,000 physicians. NP and PA school graduate rates are growing at much higher rates than medical school (but the growth rate is slowing), but it will be a long time before either (or combined) will overtake physicians. Specific expertise matters a lot when you're dealing say with brain surgery and those medical professionals should be compensated for their skill and investment in training. When a mid-level provider can just as accurately diagnose common illnesses and ailments like pneumonia and prescribe a course of medication for it as a physician could, why is a physician being paid twice as much? In promising news, it does seem like Oregon law compels insurance providers to reimburse NPs and PAs at the same rate as physicians for doing the same work: https://www.nursepractitionersoforegon.org/page/133 I guess I'm wondering why this isn't the case nationwide or the norm, and what will cause it to change. I'm currently in the midst of a career switch from architecture, and the job flexibility, job security, and pay of nursing as well as the logical and discrete advancement opportunities from RN to NP compared to the more typical seniority and years-based promotions in most other fields really appeals to me but at the same time I don't want to be artificially hampered by assumptions, outdated thinking, old norms of health care with male dominated physicians having a medical monopoly and female dominated nursing in a subservient, assistant type roll with lower pay to match (FYI - I'm a male), etc, etc. I'm going to be investing a lot of time and money into this career switch, and I don't want to be taken advantage of especially if I invest in a Masters degree.

I've seen lots of studies showing that nurse practitioners and physicians assistants deliver care on par with or even above the level of physicians yet salaries are about half that of physicians doing similar work. Are PAs and NPs being underpaid and not demanding salary commensurate with their skills and patient outcomes, or are physicians still riding their history of monopolized health care with hospitals and clients for much more than they are actually worth? And in the future, will mid level provider salaries rise to meet physician salaries, or will physician salaries fall to meet NPs and PAs? I don't see any rationale for the huge discrepancy especially in states where NPs can practice independently. If mid level providers can provide as good or better patient outcomes with less schooling and training, what is the purpose of the extra education and training? And is that the (flawed IMO) rationale physicians use to justify their higher salary? That seems equivalent to demanding more pay in a field because you attended a pricey private university and have two degrees versus a co-worker who attended an inexpensive community college and only took classes they needed for their degree but you're both doing the same exact worth - that wouldn't work in any other field.