Excelsior restrictions

Are the California and other state's restrictions only for the Excelsior ADN degree? What if you then go on to a ADN-BSN program. Once you have you BSN are you still restricted from working in Cali and the other states? Thanks.

As far as I know a BSN wouldn't make any difference in California but, I would check with the board to find out for sure.

As far as I know a BSN wouldn't make any difference in California but, I would check with the board to find out for sure.

It won't. CA is looking for clinical rotations in specific areas such as OB/GYN, peds, med/surg, etc.

BSN completion programs for RN's do not include this in their programs. It wouldn't satisfy board requirements.

It won't. CA is looking for clinical rotations in specific areas such as OB/GYN, peds, med/surg, etc.

BSN completion programs for RN's do not include this in their programs. It wouldn't satisfy board requirements.

You are right...if you did not enroll in EC by December 03, then you can't get licensed in California. If you obtained your ADN from somewhere besides EC then you will be fine with a BSN from EC. If your original licensure was based on your EC degree it doesn't matter what level it is...you can't get a license in Cali. I believe that if you did enroll by this date, you still must keep up your enrollment status by paying the yearly fee to EC.

If you obtained your ADN from somewhere besides EC then you will be fine with a BSN from EC.

Actually, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. EC is not listed on the board's approved RN-to-BSN programs but, for example, University of Phoenix is.

http://www.rn.ca.gov/schools/rnbsnprgms.htm

http://www.rn.ca.gov/schools/rnprgms.htm#bsn

Again, I would check with the board to find out for sure.

Actually, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. EC is not listed on the board's approved RN-to-BSN programs but, for example, University of Phoenix is.

http://www.rn.ca.gov/schools/rnbsnprgms.htm

http://www.rn.ca.gov/schools/rnprgms.htm#bsn

Again, I would check with the board to find out for sure.

I din't "jump" to that conclusion. I called the board upon endorsing here and they said they if you have a BSN from EC that is fine as long as your original RN licensure was not from EC (unless of course you enrolled prior to the big deadline date). Like many nursing boards, they do not list colleges like EC or Deaconess on there approved listing, but indeed they may accept this degree...you just must call to get the official word. So please don't accuse me of "jumping to conclusions" as I CALLED. I would also like to say that one can obtain a good hospital job being an EC grad. I just moved here to southern California and had several offers before deciding on a large level one trauma hospital, I had been an LPN for years prior with good recommendations--I was not questioned once. This is my own personal experience. I know others will say otherwise but as for me I had a positive job hunt with several choices.

Missy

Thank you!

Actually, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. EC is not listed on the board's approved RN-to-BSN programs but, for example, University of Phoenix is.

http://www.rn.ca.gov/schools/rnbsnprgms.htm

http://www.rn.ca.gov/schools/rnprgms.htm#bsn

Again, I would check with the board to find out for sure.

For purposes of RN licensure, boards are not looking at the highest degree you've received. They are looking for the basic nursing education that made you originally eligible for licensure.

For example, if I went to San Diego City College for my ADN, then went on to get a BSN from a school not on CA's list of approved schools, I'd still be eligible for RN licensure.

Maybe I didn't read it thoroughly enough, but the only out of state school I saw that was on their list was U of P.

My point is that it's always been my understanding that the state boards are only going to approve schools in their state, and rely on out of state schools being approved by the state where they reside. (Many states have approved of Excelsior because it is approved by the NY BON.)

You're not going to see RN to BSN programs in the University of Texas system listed as approved on CA BNE's website because I always thought that BNE's only approved schools in their state.

For purposes of RN licensure, boards are not looking at the highest degree you've received. They are looking for the basic nursing education that made you originally eligible for licensure.

For example, if I went to San Diego City College for my ADN, then went on to get a BSN from a school not on CA's list of approved schools, I'd still be eligible for RN licensure.

Maybe I didn't read it thoroughly enough, but the only out of state school I saw that was on their list was U of P.

My point is that it's always been my understanding that the state boards are only going to approve schools in their state, and rely on out of state schools being approved by the state where they reside. (Many states have approved of Excelsior because it is approved by the NY BON.)

You're not going to see RN to BSN programs in the University of Texas system listed as approved on CA BNE's website because I always thought that BNE's only approved schools in their state.

Exactly! The list would go on forever if they listed every out of state school that they accepted. When I called they said their primary concern was what school allowed you to sit for initial boards and licensure. U of P is listed because they have actual campus locations here. Out of state schools do not always have campus locations in other states. Jeez think of all the state schools and universities that are accpted with endorsement but not listed...UF, SDSU, FSU...the list is endless.

I din't "jump" to that conclusion. I called the board upon endorsing here and they said they if you have a BSN from EC that is fine as long as your original RN licensure was not from EC (unless of course you enrolled prior to the big deadline date). Like many nursing boards, they do not list colleges like EC or Deaconess on there approved listing, but indeed they may accept this degree...you just must call to get the official word. So please don't accuse me of "jumping to conclusions" as I CALLED.

I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, nor was I trying to be hostile. I just thought it was odd that UoP was listed as an approved program while EC was not, even though both are distance learning programs that California RNs could participate in. I just figured it was better to be safe than sorry and point out that people should check with the board.

You're not going to see RN to BSN programs in the University of Texas system listed as approved on CA BNE's website because I always thought that BNE's only approved schools in their state.

True ... but I assume California RN's could also do Excelsior's RN to BSN program, since that is a nationwide distance learning program like UoP. Yet, UoP is listed as approved but EC is not. The question is why.

I really was just pointing out that people should check on it with the board to be sure. That's all.

True ... but I assume California RN's could also do Excelsior's RN to BSN program, since that is a nationwide distance learning program like UoP. Yet, UoP is listed as approved but EC is not. The question is why.

I really was just pointing out that people should check on it with the board. That's all.

U of P being listed threw me off as well because, like I stated earlier, boards only approve schools in their state.

But someone else pointed out that U o P has campuses in CA so maybe in that case the board would be looking at them for approval since they have physical campuses in their state.

Lizz, I think that the "approved schools" list in CA or any other states website can be misleading for us.

For one, each state is only going to approve schools in their state. So one could jump to the conclusion that since a school isn't on their list, then it must not be approved, which isn't necessarily true.

Excelsior isn't listed on the TX BNE "approved schools" list because no EC campus exists in the state of TX, yet graduates are approved for RN licensure.

Secondly, RN's who go on for a BSN do not have to justify their BSN to any BNE. The BNE approves a license based on their original RN education. The flip side of this is that in turn, the BSN will not help in the licensure process for this very reason. They won't look at that BSN to scrutinize your ability for RN licensure unless it was your original RN education, but at the same time, you can't turn around and expect the BSN to make up for whatever was lacking in your ADN education in the eyes of the state.

U of P being listed threw me off as well because, like I stated earlier, boards only approve schools in their state.

But someone else pointed out that U o P has campuses in CA so maybe in that case the board would be looking at them for approval since they have physical campuses in their state.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, from what I've read on this board, doesn't EC have testing centers in various locations? I thought that was how you guys take your exams. Maybe that would qualify as a "campus" or ... maybe not.

UoP does have campuses, so to speak, but from what I've heard from various RN's who've participated in UoP, those "campuses" tend to vary. For example, UoP did classes at local hospital once they determined there were enough RN's at the hospital willing to participate and make it worthwhile. Yet the hospital itself isn't an official UoP campus, and that was done just for one class of RNs.

And, from what I understand, you can do UoP through classes or you can do it strictly as an online option without going to class, if that's your preference.

At any rate ... it may be worthy of investigation since, as we know, the California BORN's guidelines aren't always clear. I personally don't know any RN's who have gone through EC for RN-to-BSN but I know plenty who have done UoP ... which is the only reason I suggested people check it out with the board to be sure.