Az BON concurrency issue help!

steppybay · Jan 30, 2014

hi everyone! i need your help!! i was about to finalize my application to cgfns-ces until i found out that arizona also has concurrency issues with Filipino applicants for the nclex. i'm a 2010 graduate, passed the PNLE, had dialysis and hospital training and worked as a nurse for a year. Last year, I lived in California and then moved to Arizona because my husband's application was rejected by CaBON due to the concurrency issue. We didn't know that the issue is the same here in Arizona. Good thing I did a research about issues in Az BON before sending the payment to cgfns.
I read from some of the posts that graduates of 2012 and 2013 have been accepted to take the exam thanks to the new nursing curriculum and i'm wondering if some 2010, 2011 or other batches before me got a thumbs up from Az BON to take the nclex. Will my license and work experience help me be considered to take the exam? And do i have to take ielts/toefl even if the textbooks used by my school were in English? Our last option is to apply in Nevada but I'm really hoping there's a chance here in Az.
Hoping someone will share their experience :)

Yes, AZ does have a concurrency policy, it is not actively being enforced (yet), but I did an initial posting as one of my friends with a 2009 graduation date was affected, but it really is all case-by-case basis.

All you can do is to simply send the non-refundable application fees, meet any other minimum requirements, all the required documentation and hope for the best.

You should know that NV has recently started to enforce the concurrency rules, but again case-by-case basis.

Working for 10 years as a paid RN in a foreign country can not be substituted for college credits or to make up for any deficient school courses, it is all educational based, not work related.

It is what it is and the same holds true if any out of state licensed US citizen with a US degree and valid nursing license but does not meet that particular state's educational requirements (such as those that graduated from Excelsior colleges).

Here's someone's posting on AN of their denial letter due to the NV concurrency (notice year 1952: [COLOR=#003366]https://www.dropbox.com/s/a8rfzr8jw2q8yvw/Anjinjan.jpg

Some NV denials: [COLOR=#003366]https://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...ml#post6835033

Another one : [COLOR=#003366]https://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...ew-740344.html

There's some discussion that some need to take IV courses.

azula · Jan 30, 2014

Hi steppybay!

yeah, i guess I'll just pay the non-refundable application fee and see what happens. If that's also the case in Nevada, I'll just do it here in az and hope I'm lucky to be eligible to take the exam.

My case is the same as everyone else. It's just so impossible to finish all 25 cases in 2 semesters and competing with 2000 students in the same school! But I'm thankful that I got it all before graduation. Let's just see after cgfns sends it to azbn and I'll give an update.

I noticed that validation of practice is a new azbn requirement (Im not sure if its new). Do you have an idea what that is or what to submit?

steppybay · Jan 31, 2014

Yes, that's the biggest the problem the CHED created for the students, they wanted pack the students like cattle going into a fenced area that was meant for 1,000 not 20,000 heads.

I'm not sure of the validation of practice requirement, write to the AZ BON.

But it sounds more like proving some work experience and or your degree completion date to see if you haven't passed a certain number of years from the graduation date (like OR has a limit of 3 years or you have to re-take a refresher course or pass certain exams, whether or not you're a domestic or international applicant) or the local country RN license or any combination of the above.

azula · Jan 31, 2014

I read from another post about Illinois concurrency issue vs California and they were discussing that Ca has their own analyst and asks OR/DR cases, calendar of activity, TOR, etc. directly from the school whereas applying in Illinois, documents are sent to cgfns and the ces doesn't ask for a copy of OR/DR case. If that's the case, how will Illinois or Arizona say that the application is ineligible because of the concurrency issue. Where do they base it then? I know Illinois and Arizona have different requirements but both are asking for cgfns ces professional report.

steppybay · Jan 31, 2014

I read from another post about Illinois concurrency issue vs California and they were discussing that Ca has their own analyst and asks OR/DR cases, calendar of activity, TOR, etc. directly from the school whereas applying in Illinois, documents are sent to cgfns and the ces doesn't ask for a copy of OR/DR case. If that's the case, how will Illinois or Arizona say that the application is ineligible because of the concurrency issue. Where do they base it then? I know Illinois and Arizona have different requirements but both are asking for cgfns ces professional report.

I don't know their decision making process but I suspect now that CA has publicly stated on their website that applications coming in from the Phils are to be more carefully examined for possible fraudulent applicants that are submitting falsified documents.

So now that the other states are getting more than their fair share that used to go into CA alone are now getting more flooded with Phils applicants. I'm sure by now, these states are finding out why and the last thing they want to deal with are these greedy and cheating Phils applicants.

Then, the Phils nurse does something wrong in that state and then the state BON finds out, the so-called "nurse" was a fraud (in the eyes, that they adjusted or "fixed" their cases or purchased their paperwork) and have egg in their faces now for licensing a fraudster.

So you can say "thank you" for those PH students and PH nurses who decided they will get licensed at any cost and sell their souls to the devil, to stab you in the back, just so they can fulfill their own selfish dreams while everyone else has to deal with the nightmares and disappointments, having to move from their most desired state and pay more in fees and examinations, not to mention a waste of precious time to find a job.

But don't worry about what other states do or don't do, just focus on the state that you want to raise your babies or kids till you're ready to retire, the state you plan to grow your roots in for the next 2-3 decades or more, of course, outside of the concurrency states that could enforce them at any time, if not already.

azula · Jan 31, 2014

You have a point. It's for the best that the states are strictly checking the application. We are now facing the consequences of what those people did. It's so unfair but there is nothing we can do but hope for luck :)

steppybay · Jan 31, 2014

Yes, many try to get their license from another state just to avoid those certain pre-examinations, then try to endorse back into the state they really wanted to work and practice in once they pass the NCLEX-RN only to be disappointed and frustrated as guess what?

They soon find out, opps, I still have to get pass the inevitable in the very first place anyways, so now, they just wasted more time and threw away more money that could have been avoided in the first place by simply dealing with the worst. So instead of looking for a job as an RN, they will let others simply take over their potential job offer. Silly huh?

Actually, there IS something that can be done about this and that's to report the greedy individuals without knowledge it came from you. Go to CA BRN Enforcement tab and do so without giving out your name.

You see if others don't want to do so and they willingly know of their fraudulent deeds, then they have no right to complain. If the Phils will self-police themselves, I think the CA BRN might see that we're working to weed out these so-called "nurses", I don't guarantee the CA BRN will do much to relax the concurrency rules but it's a start.

But guys, please do not give me a message that you KNOW Mr. So-n-so and Ms. Who-who, I don't know of them, you do, so you can simply give the CA BRN Enforcement that name and let their investigators take it from. You are out of the picture.

If it's found they are not guilty, then, so be it, but if they are, they better watch their back and their pocketbook when the investigators comes with the authorities with handcuffs.

I'm not sure if it's a misdemeanor or a felony, but you've done your part and you should feel happy as maybe that could be your job coming up, which was really "stolen" in the first place. Then, if they try to get a license in another state, all of the other state's application have a question to the effect of "Have you ever been arrested or convicted or has issues with a suspended or revoked license?" They could very well be serving your next meal at a restaurant or clean your car at the car wash for a long long time and I truly hope that's what happens to them.

Did they deserve it? Absolutely!

azula · Jan 31, 2014

I heard some of the nurses got fired in California because they found out they didn't renew their license or didn't have a license at all. That's such a shame You worked hard for how many years to be a professional and one big mistake changes your life forever. Not a smart move. It's a lesson to everyone out there. There is no shortcut to success, only hardwork.

I'm thinking of applying for NCLEX-PN. Lets say, I applied for nclex-RN and it turns out I'm not eligible according to azbn..can I change my nclex-RN application to nclex-PN without paying or asking new documents from the school or do I have to start all over again and pay another fee? Sorry if I ask a lot. I just feel so stuck right now.

steppybay · Jan 31, 2014

I heard some of the nurses got fired in California because they found out they didn't renew their license or didn't have a license at all. That's such a shame You worked hard for how many years to be a professional and one big mistake changes your life forever. Not a smart move. It's a lesson to everyone out there. There is no shortcut to success, only hardwork.
I'm thinking of applying for NCLEX-PN. Lets say, I applied for nclex-RN and it turns out I'm not eligible according to azbn..can I change my nclex-RN application to nclex-PN without paying or asking new documents from the school or do I have to start all over again and pay another fee? Sorry if I ask a lot. I just feel so stuck right now.

Amen!

I'm not sure if the AZ BON is different from the AZ LPN application, you need to check the AZ BON website. In CA, the BRN and the LVN board are different and separate agencies, like apples and a banana. If AZ is like CA, there are two separate fees and different applications.

Only CA and TX have the LVN designation, other states are called LPN, same thing, just different names, but there are differences in nursing responsibilities between the state's.

Personally, I would go for the RN processing as I think AZ is likely to review quicker when compared to CA, I'm not sure maybe others that have gotten their ATT's in AZ will comment on their experiences.

demoniquenurse · Apr 18, 2014

Hi Azula, I'm planning on endorsing my license to Arizona, just wondering how has your application been, any progress or news? I am also a foreign graduate from thePhilippines

demoniquenurse · Apr 18, 2014

Im sorry if im annoying or anything, just really curious if you went along with your application and got your ATT?