floatingribs

only 40% of pre meds get to med school there really is no second chance besides reapplying and retaking it, so the fact that 60% of pre meds don't matriculate should speak enough that all of them aren't the cream of the crop. Nursing school is more lenient with grades definitely but comparing med school which is an M.D. with a BSN are two very different things, but a pre med is an undergrad concentration.

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it doesn't make sense to compare the two since the Hesi is an exit exam and the MCAT is an entrance exam (and in no way saying the USMLE is comparable to the NLCEX lol) and I definitely do know the knowledge that needs to be remembered and applied is far more, but to say they're the smartest kids is a stretch or that the kids who feel like they're not smart enough go into nursing. Definitely does happen but I really doubt they're smarter. I was prv pre med and most nursing science were easier, some were harder (organic biochem was far far harder than chem I & II) but why would pre med's be considered the smartest when like comp science majors go up to linear algebra (since everyone keeps mentioning calc) or physics majors go up to grad level courses in just physics? It's just annoying when pre meds think they're already in med school when they're no where near it at the moment. I don't think by any means they're smarter. the smarter ones are the ones that are in accelerated 7 yr med programs already, the rest of the pre meds are just like every other student that's majoring in anything. I didn't say which was more rigorous but I do think pre meds try harder, study more, etc b/c they're goal is to get to med school. I think some of ou are confusing pre med with med school which are two very different monsters, and I def did not compare nursing school to med school.

That's a very big generalization to make especially since at lots of universities the nursing schools are far more competitive than the generic BS in biology. It is lame that many pre meds use this philosophy and automatically assume all nursing students are far dumber and wouldn't be able to maintain high gpas. Also pre meds aren't doing any dosage calculations that's why you don't hear of them... (all it is is just general courses in varying sciences, a pre med concentration isn't even a major and is literally useless if you don't get to med school)

I pointed this out to someone actually, like i don't understand why they assume pre meds are the smartest kids on campus with the toughest lives like it's not a competition??? our nursing school is one of the best in the nation and statistically the highest student SAT/ACT scores ended up in the BSN program and that pre med is just a bunch of courses that coincide with tons of majors b/c pre med is no where near med school.

I'm actually doing the best in my science courses like A&P I-II and biochem but did worse in my nursing classes b/c I guess they were more writing based? So I think it's really dependent on what type of subject you excel in since there's a huge difference between anatomy & physio and like trends of nursing

summer courses don't last the entire summer either so you'll still have time to relax tbh.

And yall not going to address the fact that when males enter nursing they just rise the ranks far quicker. The glass elevator in nursing is definitely there and this post is so sexist yikes

I'm currently a freshman in a BSN program but I really want to make sure I get a job in a med-surg specialty after graduation. Most of them require at least two years of experience though and there must be tons of applicants with far more experience coming in so what's a good way to diversify one's self? I have a high gpa (hoping it stays that way lol), I've volunteered in ER registration for 2 years now and will most probably get a job in ER registration. I've got lots of work experience in customer service and help desk esque jobs as well. The biggest downside is that I don't have actual medical job and I don't see myself having the time and having a job as a CNA or EMT at the moment. I do plan to work in hospitals during my clinicals (lots of the hospitals hire if you've done one clinical and you're able to work as a nursing assistant but this would be in 2ish years). Would research help (I plan to do so anyways)? So any advice that would diversify me?

No problemo :) And really it depends on the professor, one of my professor based all her classes on slides so it was sufficient to study from them, but if there's one thing specific about summer classes it's that you should be dedicating some time to work everyday (esp if there's hw!). But if you're not sure I'd read the textbook for the first exam and then see the best way to study for next. I found A&P II to be more specific memorizing so I focused on things I was sure I was going to forget or mixed up. But again the biggest thing is staying on top of reading and hw and not letting it build up since you'll probably have less time to get acquainted with info before the exams.

Do it! I'm taking A&P II with organic biochem (which is absolutely terrible when the last chem class you've taken is in hs and you're expected to have basic knowledge in organic chemistry) and it's tough but not because I'm taking the too sciences together. Chem and bios are very different in the way you study as well since chem is more application of stuff you learned on exams

I personally found A&P II to be more tedious than A&P I but if that's the only class your taking it shouldn't be tough to manage at all. I've taken harder classes while working part time and if you're a good memorizer it'll be a breeze. Good luck though!

So I've heard mixed views on this but are pre nursing students ones who are going to apply to the nursing program or is it also freshman and sophomore in a direct BSN program (I'm a freshman in a direct BSN program)? And what are pre nursing courses exactly? In the direct BSN program we have a mix of nursing classes and sciences, but lots of them are restricted to nursing students only. I always get asked this and I'm not sure what to tell people what pre nursing is

I only volunteer in an ER atm (I'm a nursing student) and this one guy always requests female PAs and Nurses to give him exams (they call him a frequent flyer). I had to get a signature from and one of the male PAs stopped me and told me he'd get it. It's nice of the male PAs and male nurse to always step in but the female staff takes care of them if no one else is there since you're supposed to regardless of the person.

floating ribs just seemed like a cool thing in anatomy :)

I definitely did not mean that and looking back on it it would've been better had I mixed it up (I just wanted in a logical sense order but I could've flipped it) That being said one of or professor's last week told us some of us with certain views should never attempt to apply in a Planned Parenthood clinic or a jail because of our views. That being said my projects basically on the malpractice of health care providers towards inmates, so I wasn't trying to imply it was lower.The point was to show really if people even considered it or if the stigma holds true that lots of people pre nursing, nurses, other health care professionals don't view it as the optimal area of work. I mean if you actually study how bad the inmates in this country are treated there is something definitely wrong with health care and this was one facet I was trying to get a point of view on. Also not claiming to know much, but I mean just hearing some of my professors talk and my fellow peers they obviously do degrade it and I was trying to figure out if it was one of the reasons why our prison health care is so bad in some prisons. I think I should've clarified what I'm trying to research in the question.

So I've got to do a project on Correctional health care, but I thought it would be interesting to see how many people going into health care would consider being a prison doctor, nurse, etc. or to see if it was the last field you'd resort to. Also leave comments or thoughts below on correctional nursing! (thanks to anyone who answers)

Basically I'm asking if it's in our scope of practice to assist or even learn how to fix a collapsed lung (it's been a goal of mine since i was young and not sure why). Also generally in trauma centers what does a nurse do when a new patient is brought in? Is all the immediate life saving work done by physicians or PAs or is it a nurses role as well. I keep reading that nurses are meant ti stabilize patients in all aspects but where would the role of a doctor/PA differ from a nurse's in a trauma center? I'm a nursing student currently but I think my professors will get mad if I ask them what exactly do nurses do and what can't they do but I'm really unsure because the way it's phrased in classes it really comes down to observing the patients vitals, administering meds, and creating plans to get better. And what exactly does that include?

Again I'm not sure what my end goal is. I applied to nursing schools after volunteering in the ER. it didn't even cross my mind to apply to a direct MD or DO program (which looking at my scores now I should've but oh well). I mean I don't not want to be nurse and I may never want to become a doctor. But the last thing I'm going to do is lose my seat in my nursing school since it's a really god program and super competitive. What I do know is that I want to help people in an acute care setting. And if years later when I'm like 28 or something, an MD is what I want to get than I'll go for it then, but right now I'm pretty content trying to make sure I get the highest gpa possible in nursing and volunteer as much as I can. Also the psych on the MCATS is intro level. Also the reason why history and philosophy majors do so well (I've got a brilliant friend headed to JHU and his major was history) is because they can focus on the pre med sciences rather than chemistry, etc. But it's a good plan for anyone with that kind of confidence that they'll get accepted (which at the end of the day being a cocky freshman isn't going to help when even with a perfect everything it's still not a 100% chance you'll get accepted to med school and a bio major can barely get a job at a lab).

it's okay :) but honestly I would loveeee to work in the ER. I currently volunteer (have been for 3 years now) and sometimes it's chill and other times it's super hectic and I love it. Also I'm not sure I want to become a doctor. Like I know in the ER they have 1 doctor on call and 1 plastic surgeon. The doctor literally just signs off on whatever the PA or NP is doing, and I really wouldn't want that sort of job. If nursing really appeals to me I'm hopefully jsut going to get a DNP instead and go from their. All I know is that after 4 years I did job where I won't be reliant on my parents and somewhere I can work with patients helping them feel better. And nursing fits that and if I want to become a doctor later on that's a door that's open still, but definitely not going to close the door on nursing

Actually I've dropped pre med (said it a couple of posts ago :) b/c even if I took just summer classes I would be able to get any physics classes in before the cut off for the application date. And that would affect my MCATS. I mean rn every semester is around 17-18 credits so no room that my dean will allow another lab (she did say yes to 22 credits which is a lot but she said no lab so basically no courses lol). And if I took just summer classes I would have to take a gap year so it's kind of useless. Might as well get into a post-bacc program and not damage my gpa and have myself become an EMT bc I have more time and get in a 1 yr post-bacc or 2 yr even that has like a 95% acceptance rate to med school. and ya kno not waste 25k on all the extra credits and later realize getting a DNP would be better. I mean statistically as well nursing majors do the worst on the mcats and if u jump straight from nursing school to med school they'll ask why u did nursing and never became a nurse (all the success stories are from people who worked as a nurse for a couple of years and then matriculated). I have honestly yet to come to find a person who did nursing as undergrad with pre med with no gap year. Like I do here other people say they're doing it but I'm not really taking that into consideration until like they've been accepted to med school. Like finishing pre med and taking the MCATS is one thing, but med school is the goal. So who cares if you did pre med with nursing, if you you didn't get accepted to med school ya kno? But I understand what you're trying to say man, the assistant and dean and dean were so like rude about it when Ia sked and I understand now, but it's not easy. And again pre med counts for garbage when u finish it with good grades even if your not accepted to med school. And i don't want to put that much money and have to get a BSN in 5 yrs b/c of it. Rather go to a post-bacc where it's almost guaranteed (since statically med school stats are against you). Good luck on your final!

oh okay now I understand. my nursing advisers knew nothing about the pre med classes and the pre-health office knew nothing about the nursing program and my dean wouldn't allow a course overload with two labs, which with pre med is a problem. And financially I was putting an extra 25k and med school wouldn't even be guaranteed so it's easier to keep a high gpa now and if i feel like it's for me hopefully I'll get into a post-bacc program with upwards of 90% matriculation rate. I'm a quick learner but college is hard because I never really studied and now I have to learn to which is a challenge (and might as well learner how now before it gets harder). But I'mjust keeping my options open since med school even with a 528 on ur MCATS and a 4.0 gpa it's only a 89-91% chance of acceptance. Thanks for sharing your experience from it though :) Also did you start out in a BSN program or transferred to it?

so did you take like gen biop I & II, gen chem I& II, orgo I & II, phsyics, etc like the required pre med classes for the general med schools, or are you trying to get in a program that's BSN-MD (I know a couple of schools do that). B/c all your courses right now sound like nursing classes. And do understand what your saying like my not studying grades tend to be Bs since im a verbal learner and listening to a prof talk i get all the info and my memorization skills thank god is like amazing, but i still don't understand the coursework that you did. Cus grades, b/c pushing msyelf hard enough i know for me that would've been doable, aside where did you have the time to fit in an extra 40+ credits? since none of the nursing school sciences med school accept. Also im assuming you must've took your MCATs earlier this year correct?

Okay but you sound like superwoman, and my question is how? Like how in one semester too? Like pre med is around 42 credits w/out courses like genetics and zoology so that's not doable in one semester. And like I'm confused like you can't obviosuly do med school with nursing school since nursing is udner grad and med school is grad which u need a 4 yr degree to even apply to most. So do you mean pre med? Not sure if I'm just having trouble understanding, but did you do pre med w/ nursing? and in one semester? or are you saying you did nursing school and then did pre med at a post-bacc program that has like a 100% acceptance rate. Also no offense but pre meds matriculate bc of their grades, not b/c they are more analytical. Yea overall you have to be b/c being analytical is what makes u a better test taker, but statistically speaking at least in my school the smartest analytical students are the ones in the nursing school b/c it's the top 3% and the only way u got their was bc your high standardized test scores and standardized est are all about how well u can analyze. I think you phrased it in an offensive way which is why some people felt that way, b/c tbh pre meds aren't the smartest people even academically or abstractly. Matriculation rlly comes down to your mcats, GPA and race. Not how well u can think since thinking analytically is something all job professions need you to do to be the best. Not something specific to doctors.

That's actually another reason why I became iffy about doing pre med with nursing b/c I don't want to lose since it was a merit one and I have to keep a pretty good GPA for it not to get terminated. Actually I'm not sure if the colleges themselves just want you to take the NCLEX after you graduate because you'll do better, therefore raising their avg NCLEX score, if it's not allowed at all. I know Ia asked my adviser that earlier this year and she said we weren't allow to register for NCLEX test date that'll be before graduation. And definitely, if I feel like med school is the route to go, and I don't get accepted to any post-bacc programs I can take the credit myself which will be easier to work with since post-bacc programs are quite demanding. Thank you again!