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I can't agree with the numbers without seeing how many Filipinos are taking the exams compared to other nationalities. It'll give the reason why the numbers are that way. I find it ridiculous that I'm having this kind of discussion with a fellow Filipino. I guess what they say about going abroad is likely to be true as well. Oh and I found this in IELTS dated a few years back. http://www.unitec.ac.nz/toolbox_items/IELTS.pdf

The Pharisees did not want to believe and so no amount of evidence can convince them.

Can't help but remember this post in this article. PH: World's best country in business English - Yahoo! News PhilippinesHahahaha.

I agree with you regarding how different those two countries are. Though it's not entirely true that most employers in the middle east speaks english. Some can speak utilize english well but for most of the time you'll have rely on context clues.

We do almost the same precautions in our hospital but we require anyone who will enter the room to wear gowns and gloves.

Lots of Filipino nurses in the middle east and they don't even know arabic but they're doing fine. Just a thought in the language topic.

I'll try to make this my last post regarding this topic. It's been been causing me to log-in allnurses almost everyday and research about unnecessary information (like the American healthcare system). Haha. I've been searching the net for data about the uninsured American and the healthcare they receive and end up finding this thread in allnurses about uninsured Americans being DENIED of medical care. http://allnurses-central.com/us-politics/actual-cases-americans-419253.html You can even try google-ing for studies by different organizations saying that there are Americans not receiving medical care because they don't have insurance. If even after that overwhelming evidence that you are still going to deny what I'm saying, I can't envision anything that can change your mind regarding this topic. They exist. People who are getting denied of medical care because they can't pay-up exist in America. P.S. I stumbled with an Academy Award nominee documentary by Michael Moore entitled Sicko. You should check this out. It talks about the reality of your healthcare system. Also regarding the other topic, I must admit that the statement I said about Filipinos and their English is quite naive. I can't find any ranking whatsoever supporting my claim but I did found out that Filipinos rank 6th in the world when it comes to the number of people who speaks English as their first languange. BTW I do had interactions with Singaporeans, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and Malaysians so far there's none among them who speaks better English than fellow Filipino friends. My apologies if I sound arrogant, there maybe some truth in that and I won't try to deny it. It's just that a lot of people think they can't be wrong because 1. they have more exp than you. 2. they are way much older. and it gets a little bit on my nerves. Must be a case of pride for them. I do respect my elders but I do rebut if I think what their saying is wrong. It's the age of evidence-based practice anyway. ;-) -about the out of topic post- Are you talking about Carbapenem-resistant K.pneumoniae? We do had a patient who died of septic shock with WBC soaring high even after a combination of a penem-class drug and a higher gen cephalosporin. Relatives refused referral to an infectious specialist because of financial reasons. We might already have that in PH and just isn't detected. Also there's been reports of NDM-betalactamases a few months back. Resistant strains are getting scarier.

There's a think called medical tourism in South East Asia where people from industrialized nation with no free healthcare travel to Asian countries to get healthcare at a lower cost. :) US Medical Tourism Association magazine reported that medical tourism in the Philippines grew 8.0% in 2007. And that's just PH other countries promote medical tourism as well.

I was answering juan's question "Huh? where did you get the idea that nurses in "America" worry if their patient can pay or not?" Please read again carefully. And my answer to that question is on my previous post. Errr...I stated enough facts for a meaningful reply didn't I?

Haven't watch it sadly. You are merely looking at the flaws of the subject. If you'll look at the Filipinos in general and not just as individual persons (which what you might have probably done) you'll end up agreeing with me. BTW I see no other forum cluster here with non-native English speakers as members. If I see Japanese Nursing Forums here or Korean Nursing Forum I might just change my mind. But on second thought I probably won't because it's strictly English here in allnurses.

You consume resources when giving care to a patient right? Unless you don't, it matters when giving care to a patient. As much as I would love but I can't give free medications to a patient who can't pay and is not insured. Don't think of me as a cold-hearted nurse but thats reality in PH. Some people can't get treated because they can't pay. Some don't even consider getting a surgery because it cost a lot.

@rnchum I suggest you don't leave your work unless you are really sure you'll have the job. A lot of nurses volunteer but only a little few gets absorbed. Your chances are really slim and I know it sounds courageous to give it a shot but when really bites, it's not just that smart.

1.Reports of uninsured Americans not receiving medical care. 2.USA as the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have health coverage -stated by Institute of Medicine of the National Academies of Science 3.United States being ranked 37th in the world in health care systems by WHO and one of the lowest rank among developed nations. Can't really argue on this since I've never been to America but maybe you guys are on the better end of the spectrum.

It's seems like you don't get it. What I'm trying to point out is that among those non-native English speakers or those who do not speak English as their first language, Filipinos are among the best. That's basically all that I'm trying to say and I'm using the "call center boom" as an example. There's no need to compare a non-native speaker to a native speaker of the language. The later would flatout beat the non-native dude 99% of the time.

How different are American nurses compared to UK nurses when it comes to practicing nursing? Can you give a realistic example. Apply it in a scenario or something like that. They say that nurses from countries like UK don't have to worry if their patient can pay or not unlike in America. Well I do think that's a factor.

Why can't they move those call centers to other countries with low cost of manpower? I'm pretty sure Philippines and India are not the only countries with that standard of labor pay....Get it? Exactly my point!

If it really cause that much dissatisfaction I think I'll start seeing that industry collapse. Make me believe it.

Well anyway, I really can't say who speaks the best English but I used "than most" in my previous post to be on the safe side. My point for saying this is that most overseas Filipino workers would work on countries with English as their first or second language (maybe with an exception of Japan and the likes where Filipinos learn to speak Nihongo). Also if you're in the Philippines, you'll notice the "call-center boom" where a lot of outsourcing companies hire Filipinos as customer assistance agents for their English speaking customers.

Sorry if you took it that way but it's true.

And life is not always that simple. Its a dream if people always do what they want. Don't get me wrong, I love nursing (well health sciences in general) my parents actually wanted me to take marine transportation or marine engineering way back before college. I do have colleagues who's been forced into nursing but eventually fell in love with it. Some of them are the most caring nurses I've ever met. They don't care if they do NA jobs (some old timers are just too lazy), bonds well with relatives, don't get picky with patients. Just I thought, you can be in it for both the money and the love of nursing. They require Filipinos to study Norwegian before being able to work in Norway. It seems like language is still a barrier there. Where specifically in Scandinavia?

@Jenmesh Sorry but I didn't ask any questions. Post number 57 is my first post in this topic. That should be the case but unfortunately the world is not perfect. Also, Filipinos speak better English than most international nurses so it's just natural you find them in English speaking countries.

Probably the same reason why 20% of the world's seamen are Filipinos; better pay.

Call their office or check the website. I believe it's 900+ per units plus 1000+ for other fees

if that's the surplus..hmmm maybe 5-10 more years. I got a chat with a nurse who's been in practice for 30 years. She told me that it was like the exact same thing when she graduated. Nursing was very much in demand back then and a lot of students took nursing but then by the time she graduated, there's already a surplus of nurses.

One of the best thing you can do to help out is to report those hospitals.