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I am not against you personally, but I am agianst any possible threat to my livelyhood which is what you represent. If MDA's get there way I will iether have a low paying job or no job. and how will I pay my student loans. yes, what I am saying is that I belive you and your cohorts would like to put my family on the street. and noone will swallow that easily.

Tensema: I am caught off guard by your feelings. especially at a time when our professional associations are trying to "mend the fence". I truely believe that if the A$A or any other medical association for that matter could push a button today that would rid the world of nurses THEY WOULD. We really have no other reason to believe otherwise. Statements are constantly made like yours infering that we are less competent. I am literally sick inside. speechless that you feel like this. I have 4 medical student friends right now that are in med school. we talk about this often as some are now leaning toward anesthesia. one thing we agree on is that you can't call Residency "school". In other words you can't include it in your numbers when you talk about the hell youv'e been through. Why? because your getting paid. The fine line between "working" and "schooling". If so why couldn't we coun't our years as CNA's LPN's, all those years on Med/surg and ICU. Those years had to happen to meet our end goal just as you will argue Residency has to happen to meet your end goal. In additon these medical students don't even go to class. It is admitedly so easy and with the practice exam questions don't have to. I wish you could hear the tone in my head, I am not mad or defensive I am really sad for this occasion. It will go on and on and on and on. Nurses that go into Anesthsia have it as a long time goal. this means they knew what they wanted to do from the begining (not all) many, many, many medial students go into "medicine" not even knowing what they want to specialize in. do you know what that means? It means they don't care, they just want' to be called "doctor" and make money. And that is whose hands our societies health care is in??? these 5 friends of mine all are very competitive in nature, I get the feeling they have something to prove. two fatal charcater flaws. It also means, and especially when you talk about running 4 rooms that you don't want to do the work. phycians don't start from the ground and work up like as is the case in most industries. Rather, they hope to jump in and be in charge without a true knowledge of whats involved, (not clinically, I mean the human side, culture, value, traditon ect.) I wish that med school would require Nursing degrees to apply. That would instanteously fix the nursing shortage and also make better prepared physicians. As far as Anesthesia goes I think CRNA's do have the knowledge to do the skills and cases you elude to. and they are held to the same standard in court. settlements do not respect what type of provider you are. CURE: This word cure, I do not think it means what you think it means. (princess bride) Cure means a return to health, the destruction of disease. The last Cure Medicine had was Penicillin (and that was an accident). improve quality of life; maybe. but cure? hacking off limbs or destroying tissue is not curative. post edit........... you seem reasonable and level headed. I only mean this to show that nurses can never, ever let their guard down. If you are a nurse that thinks I am to harsh, that physcians are on our side. you need to read some of the associations platforms. (and not just ASA) when was the last time a Nurse spoke at any phycian sponsored convetion. ... . none. they speak at ours all the time. but would consider it a professional failing to consider the converse

fine with me as long as they have to go through what I have.

I think in the past students have forced an early decison or (the converse) the school made an early decison in order to insure theyre slots where full and then ended up regreting the fact that they didn't have more seats when better students came along later. Don't put all your eggs in one basket kind of thing. I dont know this is true in TCU's case or in Any schools case. just a gut feeling. I would take it as a good sign.

A friend of mine tried some yohimbe. More known for its amorus type effects. no comment on his memory. :)

where you intend on applying can figure into the mix. on the other hand what could it hurt. worst case senario your out some cash, best case senerio you add amo to your orificenal.