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Many programs started out at 12 months, and quite a few of them jumped back to 14 or 16 months at students requests of being overwhelmed. There's a big difference between 3 semesters, to 4 to 5. Students were dropping out left and right. But if you think it's fine, by all means do it =) You'll have great fun!

Honestly, I'm not sure why people in discussion boards choose to waste time in their lives brow-beating others for stating their experiences and opinions. The whole experience doesn't come from one individual. Not myself, and not anyone else on here. I didn't tell this person who asked for advice on nursing schools NOT to go to these schools that I described, I only told her MY experiences, and that ultimately MSU was a fine choice for ME. The things that I described to HIM/HER are things that may potentially be red flags, and if and when this individual happens to check out U of D, or Oakland, or any other school, these are things that she MIGHT want to inquire about. I can't stop them from going to school anywhere, nor would I want to. If they can have a better experience than I did, more power to them! Perhaps the school shaped up their act in the past few years by word of mouth that they have HORRIBLE policies and procedures. Ejcl and others, it's kind of hippocritical for you to post that I or anyone else has "false opinions", and then feel free to give yours and verbally bash me, or anyone else on this board for stating something that you disagree with. With the good, goes the bad, or negative. I DO NOT consider myself a negative person, or I probably wouldn't have made it though two associates, a bachelors, and now a BSN. But as an individual, I've already heard everyone sugar-coating everything. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing it. If I was starting all over again in school, I would want to hear the cold, hard facts. Example: "This school is great for it's theatre and fine arts department, but it sucks for computers and technology because...." Great, I'll know not to major in IT there. Also, I find it almost completely laughable that others are answering posts that DON'T EVEN PERTAIN TO THEM! I made an attempt to answer a question for an individual that hasn't even logged on since her post, and others are bashing me and running their mouths over things that don't concern them. Really, ROFL. Finally, to the ORIGINAL POSTER if he/she ever comes back, it's your decision that I offered a sliver of advice toward. Take or leave it, but it's up to you. Schools are a money-making scheme, whether others on here agree or not. They DO NOT treat each student the same. It's proven if you log on to other boards about MSU on here. There are people who did not get in or get waitlisted at all who had higher credentials than me. So the ball never drops evenly, especially when it becomes an issue of payment. As long as you have money, you have a place in the college system. BE CAREFUL was the main message that I wanted to get to you. Don't sign anything, and don't be bowled over at how WONDERFUL the school or nursing program is. There is most likely a catch, and it is up to you to beat them at their own game. Best wishes.

Perhaps my info may be outdated, but as of January of 2007, there was a waiting list at Oakland at that time. I was accepted and was told my wait would be until January of 2008. They accept 3 cohorts per year. Though this was fact at the time, I believe "opinions" are important based on what other students have been through. Thanks for clarifying, though.

Hey Ashley, I thought maybe I could answer your question. I just finished my first week in the accelerated program at MSU. So far, I am quite happy with my choice. I don't know anything about U of M, to be honest. I'm actually not sure why I never looked into their program, since it would have been a logical choice based on where I live. It would definitely be worth it to check it out. I've read plenty of boards on here about MSU's AO program, and the consensus seems to be that they choose names out of a hat, lol. There were some people that had higher GPA's than me and didn't get in, and there were some with GPA's down in the low 3's that did get in also. So I'm not sure what they were looking for, unfortunately. I can tell you that I had a 3.6 GPA in my undergrad, and I was still in the process of completing Chemistry and Statistics. I graduated from Eastern just this past January. As far as other schools go, I'm not sure if you only want to hear about accelerated ones, or if you're only considering MSU and U of M, but just in case I'll give you my personal experiences and opinion. Eastern MI University is not a school that I would have elected to get my first degree at. It just happened to be close to home. There is nothing personal about that school, and upon visiting the nursing office several times to be greeted by a bunch of rude, uninterested old white women was disheartening. In fact, for the past four years, they haven't been able to make up their minds whether they're running their AO program or not. So a thumbs down there. Avoid University of Detroit Mercy like the plague. They accept EVERYONE that looks like they're willing to pay the $50,000 cost. They give you a tiny grant of UP TO $11,500, plus your federal loans, and that's it. For the most part, they want you to take out around or above half the cost in private student loans. DON"T DO THIS. If you have a great job, husband, or parents who will pay then you'll be okay. But here are a few other scams. The program is only 12 months. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. 12 months is 3 semesters, and that is too short of a time to learn the information. you will be on campus 5 days a week. They NEVER know what their schedule is, and they will wait till you drive all the way there and say "Class had to be moved to saturday at _____ time." They do this OFTEN. They will change your clinical on you. (My friend actually went through with them, and regrets it every day). Wayne State is good, but for their AO program, they have a set of criteria to follow to get in, I think it's based on points, and as of right now, if you didn't do your undergrad there, or at least take all your prereqs there, you won't be getting in. Oakland is good, but they have a hidden wait list, and they won't tell you that on the phone. They'll let you go throught the whole process first and THEN you'll find out. Madonna doesn't have AO, but their traditional program for transfer students is only two years. It's VERY, VERY difficult, but a wonderful education. (I have another friend who graduated from there) It comes highly recommended, and for being a Catholic University also, it is less than half the cost of U of D Mercy. Last time I checked, there wasn't a wait list, and if there is, it is only one semester. Soooo.... I would highly recommend putting your app in to MSU, and possibly U of M. The rest are all hoaxes, IMHO. Sorry to focus on the negative, but I think you can see I've been at this for a while. Don't bother with community colleges -- most all have waiting lists, and if they don't, there's a reason. Remember, too good to be true... Best of luck to you, and if you need anything else, I'm here! Diana:D

"No offense", but emotional stress is just as severe, if not at times, more severe than physical. It's truly a shame that more people who suffer bad experiences in life don't speak up and try to help one another. It's even more of a shame that when the handful of us do say something, others try to negate it. Those are the ones that will have to learn the hard way. I could tell everyone about each of the incidents that every one of us suffered, but I suppose in the long run, everyone has to have their own experiences in order to understand. For those of you that are miraculously doing fine and think WCCCD will provide you with the education you need to succeed, pass the NCLEX, and perhaps move on to a higher degree, then I'm quite happy for you. My intent was to save one or two that are thinking of going into the program, and to let them know that there are better options out there for them than this hole-in-the-earth school. I truly wish that others would speak up that I KNOW had the same experiences that I did. Perhaps they will stumble upon this message board too. That's all I'll say because I'm wasting my time, so for those who want to message me back with angry messages, don't bother. I tried, and good luck to all.

Congrats! Yeah, many of us made it a couple semesters into the program. But yeah, I just mentioned peace corps and others places of work because I know a great many people, including myself, like to shoot for the stars instead of simply becoming a stale floor nurse for the rest of our lives. I've helped at least 50 people avoid Wayne County verbally, and seeing these forums, I figured it would be nice to help those who are thinking about going there, not necessarily the ones who are already in the program. I can't, and wouldn't dream of telling someone simply to STOP going there. I've learned the hard way in my life that people have to make their own mistakes and THEN learn from them (well, hopefully), because no matter what you say, they won't listen until it's too late. My experience with WCCCD (and not just with nursing, either) was SOOO incredibly horrible, along with at least 50 of my other classmates', that if I can help just one person on this board, I will be happy. If it doesn't apply to you, kindly skim over it and read the next post. Best of luck to you!

Run away from WCCCD!!!! Fair warning. I was traumatized for two years after serving a semester and a half of time there. After a good psychotherapist and a lot of R&R, I went to Michigan State and graduated with no trouble. Do yourself a favor and stay away !!

don't just walk, run away from wayne county community college. fair warning.

Wow!! Thanks so much for your info, roma! UDM was going to have us going 5 days a week all 3 semesters. Their program (I think) is about 20 more credits than MSU. So relieved to know I'm not going to be going every day. But even with 4 days, I still think if I can get enough financial aid I would want to get a dorm room. I hope they're available to us; at some schools they aren't. Thanks again, and if I can think of anything else, I'll let you know. I'm going there today to find out about financial aid. Keeping fingers crossed!!

Thanks for the words of encouragment guys. Headed up to MSU tomorrow morning, so I'll let you know how it turned out!

@roma4204: Thank you very much for the info! I definitely decided after I posted today that I am going to go there. It seems like a good idea anyway considering the only time I ever drove there was when I dropped off the application. I'm sure that we'll here a lot of things at orientation, but I'm just curious how many days of the week you're going to school? At UDM, they were going 3 plus two days of clinical, so 5. I'm just asking because I'm trying to see if it is possible to commute. That would save on the room and board expense. Thanks for the reassurance about the quality of the program.:) @ejcl68: That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. I'm only driving up there one time, and I better get a straight answer or else I'll do the same thing you did. I spent way too much time driving down to Toledo and out to Detroit for nothing, and I am SOOOO not doing it again. Good luck with your other programs.

Ok, so I didn't apply to U of M at all, but I was one of what seems like the very few that managed to get in to MSU for May 2010. But before I go any further, and this may seem strange, but I want to tell you guys a story. Trust me, you'll see my point in the end. Also, if anyone can suggest another place to post the same where more people who might know about this could respond, I would greatly appreciate it. I sincerely apologize for length, but it's time I got it off my chest. May 2005: Graduated from Schoolcraft College with honors and first associate degree, and straight A's in all science prereqs for nursing. Winter 2006: Entered Wayne County Community College's nursing program. April 2007: Left WCCCD's nursing program, along with MANY others after finding them to be illiterate, racist, unorganized, and unaccredited (at the time). May-August 2007: Left state to attend NYU for the summer and to clear my head. While doing so, made many phone calls to Michigan community colleges and universities to see about their nursing programs. I looked into Madonna, OU, Wayne, U of M, MSU, UDM, EMU, Monroe CC, Jackson CC, and a few more that I can't remember. All the CC's had waiting lists, and that was not an option for me after having come so far. Madonna and a couple of others wouldn't consider me because I had already been in and left a nursing program. Also, their traditional programs are too long. August 2007: Began hearing about these 2nd bachelors degree programs. Enrolled at Eastern Michigan University to get first bachelors degree, as I had 90+ crs from Schoolcraft and 50+ from WCCCD, so I didnt' have that far to go. October 2007: Showed up at EMU's nursing office for a scheduled nursing information session along with several other people, only to be greeted by a semi-dark office containing one individual, whom I approached only to be told without concern that the meeting was this morning. The woman was rude, unintelligent, and had no people skills. She gave me a bad impression of the nursing program, and it stuck. I chose to never look back on EMU's nursing program, and used them solely for the purpose of earning my first degree (though I could have done better by pulling my certificate out of a cracker jack box). March 2008: Made personal visit to UDM. Was greeted by the same type of personality as EMU. Began to wonder why I wanted to be a nurse to help people when people are so rude. Then I remembered the money and job security. June 2008: Was in video store and ran into a girl I took a nurse assistant class with a few years ago. She told me she had basically been going through the same thing until she and her friend came across the University of Toledo. They had an associate, bachelors, and direct entry masters program. I thanked her, and shortly after applied to the bachelors program. I was told that I needed several more prereqs than the average program, and that some I did have wouldn't transfer and that I would have to retake them. I said no way am I retaking anything. I applied for the masters program, didn't get in which was fine with me because that was way more work and effort than I wanted to put in. I applied to the associates with my best friend. The advisor was/is a complete idiot, made us wait 35 minutes past our appointment time with her because in the two weeks since we had made the appointment, she failed to be bothered with looking at our information and had to familiarize herself with us and our transcripts really quickly. Upon looking at mine, she decided due to my grades that I was a great candidate, and that I just needed to take some stupid HESI test (of course because NET, NLN, TEAS, and whatever else I wasted time and money on wasn't sufficient), and a Chemistry class, which I'd never had before. For my friend, she said she had to look into things a bit more because she had so many transcripts. One of them was from her very first school that she attended for one year at 18 years old. She failed out of the school. This was 20 years ago. She got a call from the brainless advisor two weeks later that said because the courses she failed 20 YEARS AGO included A+P, she could not apply to the program because that already added up to two transferred failures in their nursing program!! But you know what? I knew that she wouldn't get in after that meeting because this advisor took a racist attitude against my Indian BF. She asked me all the questions and barely looked at her in the meeting. And she had the nerve to ask me if we "came as a package deal?" How do respond to something like that. *** do YOU care, it's none of your business??!!! Oh...right, back to the point. So after that fiasco, I was heartbroken that I may have to do that crappy program, and now w/o my BF. On Feb 13, 2009 (yes, all of this took that long -- about a year), I took the HESI, and got a 95% overall. That same day, I went to this woman's office and gave her the results, with her verifying that all I needed now was Chemistry. She signed me up in her office (without me signing anything) for a Chemistry Class AT U. of Toledo, that did not match either Organic Chem or Gen Chem, and therefore was not transferrable if I ever needed it to be. I was hesitant, but having wasted a few years already and because this was my only option, I let her. She said I HAD to take it there, driving there M-F all the way from Romulus, and that CLEP wasn't accepted at UT. The class began in May. A week before the class started, I called this woman wondering why I hadn't gotton an acceptance letter to the program yet. She stated that I had to finish the class first then I would get it. I became livid. She wanted me to go through this non-transferrable class and play a guessing game as to whether I would be admitted or not??? No way. Not after she lied to me about taking the class on campus (most schools operate on the same semester system, meaning I could take it here at Schoolcraft or Washtenaw and still transfer it in on time.), and CLEP, which it states very boldly on UT's website that they DO accept). I called the registrar and had them remove me from the class, and I told that b%^&* off but good. So... April 2009: My friend talks me into trying UDM again. Why I listened, I don't know. But at that point we were both at desperate measures. I checked their website, and noticed that for the accelerated nursing program, they now accepted two times a year, in January and May. When we first looked, it was just May. Now, I forgot to mention that when I went there the first time, I had applied before the visit, and even put them on my FAFSA, for which they sent me papers showing a full financial aid package which paid for everything. That's an important detail for later. So my friend and I decided not to judge the school because of one b&^%&. So we applied online, sent everything off, and waited. Immediately thereafter, I began trying to find out about financial aid. The first time I got my FA letter, it was there within a week of acceptance. In June, I decided to go there again. I went to admissions and asked for the woman who was listed as being in charge of the second degree program. She came out, and guess what?? Yep, you're right. Even though it wasn't the same woman as the first time I went there, she was still, in fact, a snippity you know what. She said, and I quote, "We do not discuss financial aid with students until they've been admitted". This coming from a "Catholic" institution that costs $50,000 a year. So I went home and waited it out another few weeks, and I called back. I intended to tell them where to stick my application. Surprise though, I talked to a very nice young girl who informed me that the woman I'd spoken to was no longer with the university (I hope she got fired), and that she would be taking her place. I talked to her about financial aid. She gave me the names and numbers of various individuals, which at that point it became a phone-calling contest. On July 14, I got my admission letter. It stated that they wanted a non-refundable $500 deposit. Naturally, my first instinct was to be wary of sending this in before I even knew if I could afford the school. Without supplying every little detail, I foolishly sent in the money so I wouldn't lose my spot (first come, first serve. So in other words, they accept anyone with a 3.0 and a few prereqs done, then whoever pays them off first wins). Then I spent all the way up until TWO WEEKS before the program started to find out the fate of my financial aid (yes, that was almost 6 months), and only to find out that they wanted me to take out around $20k in private loans. I laughed out loud, then got furious. I DEMANDED my deposit back, and they gave it easily, knowing full well what scam artists they are. Present: So now I just got accepted for May at MSU. I will know about my acceptance to NYU in April, and ITT in August (too late for MSU). So right now I'm leaning on MSU. But so far, here's whats happened. 1) I was accepted to the Nursing program before I was even accepted to the University. While I have no worries about getting in, I'm wondering what's taking so long. 2) They made me send in a prereq evaluation or something like that for one of my courses that they didn't initially accept as transfer credit. If they decide they don't like it, they'll want me to retake it and reapply for next year, which I absolutely won't do. 3) I haven't gotton a darn thing about how much the program costs. 4) The financial aid thing, which is the number one factor. I WILL NOT take out private loans. I don't even want to take out regular loans, and I sure as heck am not going to take out thousands of dollars when in them. That is laziness on the school's part because they don't have to do any searching for you that way. So I called twice over the past few months to see about financial aid, and they kept saying that I would get a list of scholarships. We got our acceptances around the end of February, and come to find out TODAY, the scholarship deadline was March 1st. So as I'm writing this, I'm waiting on a call from the director of Nursing, and if they give me any BS, I'm telling them to stick it in their ear. I'm not going through this again. NYU is one of the best schools in the country, and more expensive than any of these schools I've talked about. But I know their character, and their financial aid office. If I had their acceptance letter in my hand right now, I'd give Michigan the finger and never look back. But that's enough ranting. After reading this, if anyone had any suggestions about what I am doing wrong, or whatever, I would greatly appreciate it. I am also wondering if anyone has any experience with MSU already. Should I be expecting the same crap, is it a waste of my time, how much does it cost in comparison with, say, UDM? The tuition and fee schedule is very confusing to figure out on any college website, as they want it to be that way. I had always heard that MSU has lots of financial aid available, but I'd like to know for sure. Any input from students who are in the program already and have finished a semester or two would be greatly appreciated.:bowingpur Thanks for listening, and have a great day. :oornt::igtsyt::flmngmd:

I just want to say that the opposite of positive is obviously, negative. But there is a BIGGGG difference between, say, negative/cynical and realistic. I think people need to hear the bad with the good. Anyone who thinks everything is going to be airtight and smooth with a little hard work and discipline is living in a happy bubble that one day is going to burst really bad on them. And it will hurt. I find "optimists" the most annoying people I've ever had to deal with. 95% of the time, they're just fake. Life sucks sometimes, and I would much rather read someone vent and tell me the truth about something than to sugar coat it. And believe me, I've worked in several hospitals now. The environment makes the difference. If someone says "Being a nurse sucks!", my response would not be to belittle them, because YES FUTURE NURSES, SOMETIMES IT DOES SUCK, no matter how passionate you are about the field. In some hospitals, I loved it. Some, I hated it. It depends on the fools you're working with, and what your job is. One thing I have learned though, is that NO ONE has the upper hand or power over me unless I give it to them. Since most of us on here are nursing students on here, I'll give you an example: there are HUNDREDS of nursing programs out there. I was accepted to one, and left it because they were disorganized, disgruntled, and I wasn't learning a thing. I could have easily passed through that program, ended up going through life embarrassed to say where I graduated from nursing school (give you a hint -- I live in metro-Detroit), and I sure as heck wouldn't have passed my N-CLEX. While in the program, the instructors and faculty were content to make students feel like crap and belittle them. But I have the power. I chose to go into nursing somewhere else. And now I'm doing fine. When I finish my masters degree, I'm going to go back to that miserable school and interview for a teaching position just to **** them off. You have the power, and while it's PERFECTLY HEALTHY to be brutally honest and REALISTIC at times (i.e., call someone out on being a stupid SOB when they truly are, or politely explain to your employer "I'm an RN now, and if you want to treat me like $h!+, there's 10 other hospitals down the street that need me and won't think so), remember that YOU have control over your destiny, your life, and your dreams NOT someone else. And don't be afraid to vent, no matter how it may sound. Some of us are listening and we can learn from each other and perhaps help one another to avoid these problems in the first place. Peace and love to realistically cynical people :heartbeat:redbeathe

Hi everyone, In some older threads regarding NYU's Accelerated Degree Nursing Program, quite a few people have stated that they've been accepted to the program for Fall 2010, yet their postings dated back in 2009. :confused: ow is this possible? I just called NYU a minute ago to ask them when the actual deadline was (April 1st) for the program, and if the admissions was rolling. She said yes, after the final deadline, and that the soonest I would hear would be after that date. So how is it that people already know they're in for Fall 2010? Long story short, I'm paranoid because I live in Michigan and Michigan schools love to play mind games with you. Although NYU is my first choice because I've already attended classes there for two summers, I would travel anywhere in the world if I got accepted to nursing school just to get away from Michigan. For anyone that truly did get accepted to Fall '10: What month did you apply, When did you get your letter of acceptance, What were your stats like? For the record, I applied in December, I am graduating with my first degree in May 2010 with a 3.65 GPA, my total cumulative GPA from all the schools I've attended is between a 3.5 and 3.6, my prereqs are straight A's including sciences, and I applied with only two of them in progress, which is Chemistry and Statistics, but they will be A's also. Thanks in advance for your clarification!

Thanks, guys. Forgot to add that -- all three of my schools are private, and none of them are particular about the lab. That's why I even knew about taking Chem online. I didn't know it was possible before, and the schools I'm accepted to suggested the ones I listed, but they're just a little beyone my budget right now. Worst case scenario, I'll just chose the cheapest of the three. Thanks!