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loved what you said: "complainers love an audience". this is so very true. we all know that everyone complaines once in a while which is normal, but if you have someone who complains on a day to day basis, this person is like a parasite who is feeding off of other's responses. we all need to steer clear of these people. good post!

you are so..........correct in stating that you must speak their language. there are so...many bad cna's and i don't get it. i have had to deal with some really nasty ones who will actually lie about what has been done with the patient. at first, i would just hold it in and do it myself - believe me that stopped years ago. it actually got so bad with one cna on my shift, i told her to "clock out" and see the nurse manager tomorrow (too long and too much to get into now), as she was now a liability on my floor at that point. you must write up an insubordinate cna otherwise you will never get the respect and you will continue to do the work that the cna is being paid to do. i do want to also say that there are some wonderful, over the top, go the extra mile....etc., cna's. thank goodness for those responsible ones - and i do make sure that they also get plenty of kudos as they deserve the extra $$. shout out to all the great cna's i've worked with! it's unfortunate that it takes only one lazy, irresponsible, negligent and miserable, "you owe me attitude" cna to make it bad for so many.

Just imagine ALL the MANY others that have gone through the same thing, and nothing done about it!!

no one should ever die alone!

shame on all who were involved in turning a blind eye to this situation!!!

i agree, as i also have had wonderful experiences dealing with all cultures. however, there are some dr's. (as noted in op) that can be very rude and indifferent of other cultures outside their own and have no problem letting you know as i've witness this with a middle-aged dr. who had been in america for several years and still "talked down to several of our nurses". however, i think he met his match when he was confronted with the nurse supervisor on duty that day. good post crunchrn!

That's just the point, all dr's, nurses that travel outside their country are given documents, classes, etc that are the norms for the particular country they are relocating to. If the dr. had a problem he could have talked with someone about it, but to report it to the OP's supervisor was wrong. He could have just as easily talked to a peer to get advice on the issue or go over the packet that was given to him.

You obviously have a right to your opinions, but going back on all your posts it seems that you are defending this dr.as if you know him on a personal level. Have you ever worked outside the US? Believe me, there are tons of paper work and docs. to sign, classes to help you understand what is expected and accepted of any nurse or dr. working in another country/culture; and if this dr. as you state "needed to have someone explain professional etiquette" then he should have talked with another dr./peer to help him better understand what is/is not appropriate actions. By going to the OP's supervisor is not looking for "better understanding" as anyone would know what action this would lead to.

If you go back to the OP, you will see he is not from America. The posts relate to OP's concerns. Again, when one comes to America to practice there are papers to sign, read etc.; all about the norms, proceedures, policy etc, about America; thus, this dr was well informed about practices here. Please go back and read OP to better understand what the concerns are here.

whatever culture one comes from is fine, but when working in america then one needs to abide by the contract signed before coming here to work. no need to be rude to anyone, especially a peer that works with/for you; and if not allowing a nurse to look you in the eye when speaking to or being spoken to is rude, then please work in another country where this behavior is considered acceptable. if there are questions about "packets" given to people who come here or leave to work in another country just check it out as many nurses/doctors do it all the time. i hope this helps you in better understanding what is and is not acceptable when working in america.

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i simply stated my opinion on an op and did not "judge" this doctor, but exposed something that happens almost daily in many hospitals. i cannot begin to say what happened during that conversation (as you note) but will comment on what the original poster "did" say happened to her on being reported; as this is what this site is about. i have been doing this a long..........time and know that there are many people from other cultures that become very defensive when "we" american nurses, cna's etc do not follow what they consider "norms". i did not include his childhood as he proved what he learned in childhood by his actions to an american nurse. we must stick with what the original op tried to relay to us. if this dr. indeed changed as you suggested then your suggesting he changed what was programmed into him for x amount of years (at least 30 years) and as you say "we were not present" again, before ever coming to america to work you must read/study and sign documents understanding american ways. the op was very clear he did not understand our norms. we are professionals and deserve to be treated as such. we have come a long way as women and will not be treated with disregard and disrespect again. if this doctor, as well as other doctor's feel the need to talk down to women, (i.e. no eye contact or use of assertiveness then he/she needs to move back to their own country where they will feel more comfortable within their own culture.

I'm sorry if you thought i was being rude to you. Not at all. I only wanted you to stick to the OP and not stray fro the original comments that have already been made. Again, I was not rude in any way, however, if you believe I was this was not my intention; it's just that the OP was dealing with a strong issue and so many of us were backing the nurse whose feelings were rightfully hurt.

if you remember your history, then explaining this question would be null. once again i will explain from the first posts that was posted many months ago; if a person from another country applies to the usa to work here as a doctor, nurse they are to adhere to the policy, proceedures and regulations that they signed before coming here for work there would be no problems. thus, a dr. from another country reporting a nurse for looking directly at him while he was talking with her about a pt; he claimed she should no respect to him. what???? (as the post originally states). wrong, if you come from another country that dictates such rules then please do not come here and try to instill your countries rules such as; be sure to walk behind the dr as he makes rotations to see pts, do not look directly in the dr's. eyes when he talks to you, etc. this will never happen while i and millions of other americans live and work here. he is only here on a work visa and should abide by the rules of the country he has elected to work in. again, if i were to apply to another country that dictated me to wear a dress and head dress all day than it's up to me to agree or disagree with this rule before going to that country. do not come to work in america and expect to have us bow down to your culture and ways while you are here. do not disrespect or be rude to the country who is hosting you. if you (smartnurse1982) did not read the op from a few months ago, please go back and read what the question was dealing with the hurt a nurse received from a dr from a different country who thought all of our nurses should behave the way the women behave in his country. i believe you missed the point due to the statement you wrote. :confused:

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This is not a case of who is right or wrong. When in America, do what is expect of you and that is use good sound values, morals and respect for others. When medical professionals (or anyone for that matter) come to America they receive a packet (as mentioned in my very earliest post) and they must understand our way of doing things and the respect women deserve in this country. We are NOT to look away when another male nurse or dr from another country is taking to us. Remember, they are on our turf and must respect our ways in America as we should when visiting anothers' homeland. This is our America and this is where the ball stops in bowing down to another when we are in our own homeland. Enough is enough! When in "Rome do as the Romans do" it's really that simple.

very true, however, if you come to america then you are expected to respect the way our profession is. when i am talking with a doctor i expect him to give me the same respect he expects from me. look in the eye of the speaker. it's polite and it shows manners here in america. if i travel outside of america, i certainly follow and respect "their" rules. let's stick with the original post and that's when someone choses to come to america to practices they much read the packet given to them upon entering our country and respect our ways of doing things and respect the many women nurses who do a bang up job and need to be respected by anyone who comes to practice on america soil. let's stank up for what is right, because you know for sure if you go into another country they will be sure to make you follow their rules!!!!!:)

Again off the original post, hower this statement is very true and I'm happy to comply if ever in such a situation. Just read a book and stay to yourself. lol,lol,..but true I'm sure!:yeah:

I believe we are talking about eye contact when dealing on a one to one in our professions: dr to nurse, nurse to patient etc; not total strangers riding in a train. I think you lost the point of the first post. When a nurse is speaking with a dr it is professional to look into the eye of the speaker. It is very rude in America to look another way while being spoken to or, speaking to others. For me, it was one of the many lessons learned from childhood called respect for others when being spoken to or reverse. I hope you received the same value when you were a child in America.

I'm with you, as long as everyone entering is legal!

AMEN!!!

unfortunately, you are correct!! so many older graduates do face this kind of discrimination since employers want the young nurses' due to longevity instead of giving due consideration for life experiences. why would any employer pay for internships for an older rn when they can get a "20 something" grad right out of school? this is not my way of thinking, but this "seems" to be a reality with some institutions. i do still believe that there are wonderful hr people who look specifically for men/women with solid life experience and education. keep the faith and remain proud of your "real" life experiences!!:yeah:

i think we need to look at curiousme's point, as its well taken by many. if one comes to america it's for many reasons, however it's not to make american's bow down to "another's" culture. before going to another country, one should be intelligent enough to understand america's norms, culture etc (as you would when going to live, visit in any other country - it's called respect!) yes, we all need to respect one another; but when certain people decide that their faith, culture, etc is the superior one (i.e., don't give eye contact etc, etc.) that's where american's need to draw the line. it is never correct to force one's own beliefs, culture, norms etc. on anyone; especially in one's own country. mosaic is fine, but when in rome, do as the roman's do! again, it's called respect for other's.

Is irish 6363 for real? Sorry girl, that is not reality! I speak several languages and would NEVER be so rude to speak to others in anything else but English. When I go to Spain, I will speak spanish, When i go to Germany, I will speak German. I'm certainly NOT going to laugh when I hear others speaking in another language especially over a pt, or in front of family or peers. Again, rude is rude no matter the color!!!!

Absolutely correct!!!! Speak the English language when working on the floors or on break on the floor; and there would be no thread like this one to write about. No one feels sorry for anyone who is rude and continues to carry on in their "own" language when you know better. So speak English and that's the end of this discussion!!! Tomorrow go to work and start speaking English to all and anyone at the hospital PERIOD! Once you leave the hospital/LTC facility then feel free to speak whatever you wish just like the rest of us who speak other languages.:yeah: