Alnamvet

The solution is to get rid of all CNA's...they never have, nor ever will, be worth the effort to keep...I got rid of a boat load a few years back at an ED that I directed, and with the money saved, gave all the full time staff raises to the tune of $8-10.00 an hour per RN. The complaints about never knowing where the aids were were gone, and the RN's did not mine doing the additional scut work, since the hefty raises more than made up for the abscence of no loads.

Sounds like I exposed a raw nerve, eh? Well, just keep studying, get your RN, maybe an MSN, and let me know how you feel then...bottom line...there is no longer room in health care today for minimally prepared providers. An RN should be the bare minimum for nursing practice, and all titles referring to a nurse less than an RN should be eliminated. Ancillary staff, preferably, would be EMT's or Paramedics, who come prepared with a broad, and expansive set of skills, most usefull IN the hospital setting. Lastly, attack the message, not the messenger, hon...

You are right...just like the N in CNA....and the N in NA....and like the N in NT....a CNA and a LPN just doesn't cut it anymore; get over it....feel slighted? that's on you...get used to it :stone

CNA's, NA, LPN....need to go by the way side....safe care comes from broadly "educated" and "trained" RN's and ARNP's. The time has come to eliminate so-called caregivers who's only training is how to do a BP, change a diaper, d/c an IV, and administer a limited amount of drugs. The times are a changin', and the need for poorly prepared wannabees is ending. What we need is to increase the standards, require that ALL health care providers take the same pre-reqs as a pre-med, pre-nursing, pre-PA...after the pre-reqs are met, one may choose the MD/DO route, nursing route, Paramedic route, PT route. This will place ALL on the same playing field, and eliminate further discussions about who is better prepared, better educated, better trained, etc. The only differences, in the end, may be compensation, but what you choose, after your pre-reqs, should not get in the way of having earned the respect and privilege of a well educated and trained health care provider.

I'm not so sure the majority of these dilitantes are even student doctors...most sound like high school kids who "think" they are med students, hence the 3rd grade level grammar.

This is a woman issue...never had this problem when I was in the Army and Navy...guys just do what's best for the team, 'cause they don't want to be known as no loads. I just come in early, get a trusted EMTp to stock my assigned area, and away I go...don't give a rat's a#$ if the night ladies want to play passive aggressive games

When the tail begins to wag the dog, it's time to put down the beast. Best solution is to eliminate CNA's....PERIOD! Plenty of EMT's, Paramedics, and nursing students who need a part time, are better, and more broadly trained, and who are willing to work. No need for CNA's these days.

Am I generalizing too much from my own experiences or is this something males do to each other (discriminate for not opening up as a buddy)too in the abscense of female co-workers? Not at all...you are right on target :)

Right on. For me, police, fire, rescue, combat pilots, ship commands, Spec Ops, submariners, big game fishing, auto mechanics, factory jobs, mining, construction workers, ship builders, astronauts, black bag ops, politics, et al are for men only, and about men and it makes sense for men to attend to male dominated world events. But for others, it really doesn't matter and a female in a male dominated profession would be fine. Let the voters decide.

If women would just get in touch with their masculine side, the work place would be a better place to be...LMAO

BOTH! I don't believe that any job should be defined as gender specific...if you have the skills or knowledge base, you should not be dicriminated against solely based on gender...if you desire a specialty in nursing such as midwifery, why is it that if you are a man, why is there a discussion about it? Where was the discussion when male OB's dominated the field up until the late 80's? Who's complaining about male midwives, or for that matter, male nurses? I think the answer is the opposite sex...we broke into nursing, and they hate it, and now that we have male CNM, they hate it even more. Just my dollar 2 ninety 8. :stone

Yes...what is the appeal...like why do women want to prove a point by forcng themselves in firehouses, taking down the girlie calendars, and forcing the men to watch their potty mouth?...why do women have to prove a point by forcing the armed services to allow them in combat roles...to take up space in the cockpits of jet aircraft...to command, or is it commandeer naval ships. Is it for the gals "own crusade to try to set a precedent"...I think that if a female wants to do what has been traditionally a man's job, she has to ask herself, who is this for-the organization she wants to join, or myself? Females have no business in a traditional man's job, I don't care for what reason. Men in general should know they have a place to go for privacy...to not have to watch their potty mouth...to walk around the station house nekkid as a jay bird if they wish...does this arguement work as well in reverse :rotfl:

In a Emergency Room, I am of the opinion that the only non- RN's should only be Paramedics, who are highly trained in starting IV's, doing EKG's, interpreting EKG's with reasonable accuracy and informing RN's of their observations, can mix and hang a variety of drips, and calculate appropriate drip rates with accuracy, can do foleys, assist during codes....the training a Paramedic receives is invaluable in a hospital setting...anything less than a EMT-P is just a waste of time and money. There are enough volunteers and kids doing court ordered community service in my ED, that the need for CNA's or whatever title they are adorned with, is null and void.

Yes, many schools. as they try to level the playing field, are now going masters degree for PA, but there are still many AS and certificate programs, where a GED and the science pre-reqs is all that is needed for admission; it is possible (as in my neice) to go to PA school straight out of high school; much like the Army's high school to flight school program. The bottom line, it does not take a rocket scientist, nor a bachelors degree to get in to PA school.

At the several community colleges that offer a PA program, the typical requirements are a HS diploma or GED, A&P I, II, Gen' Chem with lab, Micro, Eng 101, Int Algebra or basic Statistics, Soc 101, Psy 101, and a CPR certificate. Mind you, these are the bare minimals, and programs that offer the BS or MS, obviously require more.