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NO really. they aren't. It is a much much much lesser version of te AA. More akin to a really great operating department practitioner with somewhat more babysitting power. The dr will do all induciton and reversals. there is no scope for change in this, the British medical establishment, which effectively shackles nursing has ensured in measures of self protection and clinical elitism.

Its really not what you think. The plan would be decided by the doctor. Evverything would. it is as limiting as the AA way of working. no real autonomy. And i doubt he'd be doing any of the stuff you described. The actual plan is to have these anaesthesia practitioners (Not how its not the much more obvious nurse anaesthetist!!!!!!!) babysitting the pt as the doctor will be doing the induction and reversal meaning the AP will place lines etc but have no autonomy to run said drugs to the patient. so there you have it. A great idea crushed by the selfish its all about us attitude of the medical establishment and the please, dont pay any attention to us, we're just here to be mothers to our paitents attitude of the nursing establishment

The ACTUAL difference between degree and diploma nurses is marginal in their training. The difference is actually the adition of a few more modules and a very very small dissertation for extra credits. There is no difference between assessment criteria and all nurse qualifying need to have exactly the same skills. There is no advancement in terms of one being more anythig than the other and this is a crucial misjudgement of people entering nursing in the UK. A degree is almost certainly NOT guaranteed to get you your post second or even third as merely possessing a BSc is not a measurement of a nurses worth Degrees are sometimes necessary for a promotion to Sister or Charge Nurse level, but before then they make absolutely no difference in terms of patient outcomes or nursing knowledge and skill.

Hey dont get me wrong. Training GSTT was the best thing that ever happened i had the greatest placements in neuro, cardiothoracics, renal transplants etc. it was the university, the terrible we'll sort of half teach it approach and the general feeling that it was pointless or boring. And that was felt on masse by the majority who constantly asked what any of the stuff we learnt had to do with anything.

Just read in the Nursing TImes that the government is planning to introduce 'ER style' physicians assistants to the UK. This will involve a MAsters degree.. Apparently the DoH feels there is a niche for thisw kinfd of role, but does anyone think that this is a waste of time oney and resources considering that PA's were introduced; A) To get men into a nursing style role without the personal care. B) To get men into healthcare within the armed forces C) To dilute the medical profession in a similar (but not) way like Nurses and Nursing Assistants? Apparently th erole will include taking histories, physicals and managingand treating CERTAIN illnesses and posibly referrals. But why bother when the government announced that these were the things that nurses would be doing tin the future? Personally i feel that we have a lack of people to do the caring. Plus why do we have to use bizarre terms like Medical Care Practitioners (the term they are choosing) to name this new 'profession? I don't think this is the way forwards. I think this is advanced nursing without the dirty side. Any thoughts????

Ha! i was training at King's but I/we hated it thre. Many people left in my first year, not to quit but to transfer soewhere else, as has been the case for the past 3 years. I'm gonna finish at Kingston in February. Ah the lucky APEL, i got APEL'ed from a whole placement because i had spent nearly a year in a HDU. But people were APEL'ed if they had so much as set foot in a nursing home or baby sat children (Paeds students) and maybe even had a crazy friend!! (sic).

EBL is not dangerous but unfortunately like most nursing theory it had to be invented albeit at short notice. It is poorly taught and the subject is crtainly not given the gravitas it needs i fit to be truly taken in and used as a format for learning and research. The unfortunate outcome is that many students trying to use EBL and EBNursing, fuind that research rarely comes down on one side of the hypothesis, and certainly for their assignments, opting for one argument without lengthily describing its failures is a sure way to fail. Like alot of nursing students i meet, their main complaints are that the course has borrowed heavily form sociology and psychology courses in an attempt to legitimize nursings' claim to the emotional well-being of it's patients at the expense of real science, whihch most in adult nursing will have to learn informally on the wards on in their own time.

I'm sorry but can you honestly tell me if any of us english speaking people were abroad in say france that we would avoid at all costs speaking in english for fear of offending the french. Please. Furthermore, it's usually never about their english especially with Filipino staff. their english is usually word perfect - save for the slang. i just think it's a bit petty. The real issue is because you don't know what they're saying and that is annoying, but in the whole spectrum... worth pursuing? i think not.

oooh... well, well done you. But still, right now there's nothing to stop any of us from calling ourselves Nurse Practitioners and i think that does need to change.

I have never heard about the London hospitals having a reputation against foreign people. London is so mulitcultural and diverse. Alot of the Nurses are black, asian, fillipino, australian, kiwi, irish, french, polish, czech, south african. We have a rentention problem here. 'Ok. London is like, the capital of England, so like naturally alot of the better hospitals are gonna be there, such as: Guy's and St Thomas' Hospitals King's College Hospitals St Mary's Hospital University College Hospital London Royal Free Hampstead Barts and the London Hammersmith Hospitals those are the main acute hospitals in central london, but because south east england is so built up compared to the USA a hospital isn't ever far away in the south east. you just have to beat the traffic. These hospitals are fantastic and perform some of the most advanced healthcare delivery in the world (ooh get me!!! ) Anywho, these hospitals also pay more coz they're in London. Come see 'em. Guy's and St Thomas' where i'm traning has a TV programme on it. Ooohh!!!

Right on!!!! :chuckle :balloons:

See i hate earlies and lates. i just can't stnd the idea of having to go in for five out of seven days! Much prefer long days and i love nights!!!! And yes we all know that the US and Canada have long working weeks, however i feel that some things such as rate of pay, status and work environment is insome ways better. i really do think that nice wards have agood effect on everyone and in the NHS even at Guy's and St Thomas' many of the wards are ugly, dilapidated etc. But i mean it isnt all doom and gloom. t least we dont have mandatory overtime! :rotfl: :) :chuckle

Massive amounts of time off!? We have some of the longest working hours in Europe!!!!!!! BUT yeah we do have a particular type of white middle class yob that enjoys drinking and fights but then again in a small country as wealthy as this i can understand the turn on, tune in, drop out mindset. Personally i think it's a result of excess, in everything. sometimes it seems like we're only short of nurses, doctors and dentists.

I'm interested in working in Dubai eventually after i qualify next year and would like to hear from any nurses who have worked or are working in that region. Any advice etc would be appreciated Thanks!

I'm afraid i do live in London. I live in a place called Camberwell and if YOU really live there you could tell me exactly where it was. I'm there studying nursing as a matter of fact at the Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery and training at Guys and St Thomas' hospital. I never grow tired of being right