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Jon E Soskis

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  1. We surely can be fooled by what we believe to be common sense. The scientific method serves well when applied to worthy questions. I guess the question, when considering how to evaluate the worthiness of aspirating before administering an IM injection, becomes who in their practice would accept that during their career they may well do harm to a patient by injecting intravenously a medicine meant to be administered by the intramuscular route...when a fast, simple, no-risk procedure (aspiration) can protect that rare patient from potential harm? This is not a subject to which a cost/benefit analysis should apply. This is about no compromise...ever...patient safety. Besides, who would be willing to experiment (do research) by injecting a bloody syringe full of medicine intended for IM use into the patient regardless of risk, documenting whatever harm may occur, for the sake of building enough evidence to satisfy a research project? There, again, would be a sorry tale. Benefit vs risk. I hope that those tuned into this conversation accept the words of those who have felt fear after aspirating blood during an IM injection. Fear keeps us, and our patients, safe.
  2. Over the years we will have experiences that color our assessment of the need to change a standard, like no longer aspirating no matter the nature of the intramuscular injection. When one aspirates blood that becomes proof that we may wish to rethink eliminating aspiration. Experience counts, and when those making policy lack a particular experience sometimes policy changes end up not so great. Have the individuals involved ever aspirated blood during an IM injection? I remain concerned that this all seems to stem from the CDC indicating that aspiration is not necessary when administering a VACCINE...and perhaps from one article based on two papers that were reviewed. The first question to ask is whether the question of ANY policy change needs to be asked. If it is important and will solve a significant problem then by all means aggressively go after it, and don't quit until it is finalized. In the case of aspiration I think we are being a bit too academic rather than using good common sense. First is the safety of the patient...do no harm.
  3. Hello...Thank you for clarifying that these two subjects are not related. :)
  4. That's a really good question. Outside of the hospital I guess that risk will remain. Inside the hospital I could be wrong but I would guess that the difference between the cost of the Epipen and a 1 ml ampoule of 1:1000 epi would rule out Epipens. A 1 ml ampoule a few years back was a dollar an ampoule...and allows for aspiration. Too, how many lay people who would administer epi in the field would know to, or actually aspirate in the heat of the moment?
  5. Thanks for that. I actually aspirated blood twice. It's just not that difficult to provide the patient our best. :)
  6. Hi...I was taught aspiration, and Z-track but only as it pertains to IM Vistaril. What we are taught surely does matter, doesn't it? Jon Soskis
  7. I love evaluating things in life through the lens of "risk vs benefit". In health care, decision-making...comparing risk to benefit... takes on special meaning since there is no room for error in an environment where way too many errors are known to kill patients. Surely, our first duty as nurses, as well as for other medical staff, is to "do no harm". On the whole I would like to believe that most of us live with enough fear of harming a patient that we take every measure possible to assure that no harm occurs as we go about administering what we have learned. What we learn and how safely we subsequently practice is dependent in large part on the level of expertise of those teaching us, both in school and then starting anew with our first job after graduation. Learning deeply in nursing school and through our practical training on the job following school is paramount regarding safety, and every effort should be made by those with more beside experience and by those who train nurses generally to provide the most reasonable information possible. Teaching nurses requires non-biased, potent critical thinking skills and an ability to apply common sense in the application of new innovations and procedures as well as to the assessment of proposed changes to long-established techniques used during routine procedures. The ability to see the "big picture", and to calmly assess what us old nurses' experiences have to offer in assessing the benefit (or lack thereof) of change, is important if we are to make the best decisions possible. Change can be good as well as unbelievably harmful. With a patient-centered approach we can keep our patients safe and comfortable as we evaluate change and make sure it fits reasonably within the bigger picture, and especially does no harm. Whether or not to aspirate before administering a medication by intramuscular injection, and the somewhat amazing debate surrounding that subject, comes to mind as an example of how we can sometimes fail to recognize that the first thing we should decide when considering a subject is whether a decision needs to be made. I posit that no decision needs to be made here because to not aspirate raises the risk of harm or death and provides no measurable benefit. In my thirty years and one week of employment (I made the scheduler beg for that last week) in the E.R. of a regional medical center that covers a huge swath of the north Florida panhandle, I administered a lot of medications by intramuscular injection. At just three injections a day that would be over twenty-three thousand, and you can bet it was way over that. Keep in mind that there is just one of me, relative to millions of nurses out there, when I say that there were two instances when I aspirated blood into a syringe. Those were two instances when I could well have done harm, possibly great harm, to a patient. I, of course, started over in each case with fresh everything. There is no guarantee of vessel location. We are all different, and locations are determined early in our development by how tissues fold together. There may be a general road map, but street placement is not guaranteed. In some literature it is said that no aspiration need occur because the CDC allows that for vaccination, but there is an exception, it is said, regarding the "dorsogluteal site". (No mention is made of the vastus lateralis site.) So we are to train millions of nurses that only in a given location aspiration should be employed? We have to think of a systems approach here if we are to assure safety on the whole. We must see the big picture. Aspiration must apply to all intramuscular injections, and I would include pediatric patients as well. Why would we place them at unnecessary risk? The same literature mentioned above included a concern about pain as a result of aspiration, and the requirement that one aspirate for 5-10 seconds. Certainly, pain is just not an issue in the hands of someone with appropriate skill. Taking longer than one second to aspirate I believe to be wholly unnecessary. If the tip of the needle is in a vein, even a minuscule vein, blood will flow very quickly into the syringe as one aspirates. In obtaining a degree in biology I accessed tiny rabbit ear veins, and blood flowed instantly and freely into the syringe. Brief aspiration is plenty. There is also mention of employing a very rapid injection to lessen the pain in pediatric patients. I don't know of anyone who enjoys pushing a needle into another person. (The first, and only time a fellow student nurse injected me in practice with 0.5cc normal saline intramuscular, she let go of the syringe, backed away a couple of feet, covered her face, and screamed long and loud. That was it for her nursing career.) My point is that any injection displaces, and to a greater or lesser extent, tears muscle, which hurts. The needle practically does not hurt. The thought of the needle hurts. If medicine is pushed slowly through the needle it has a bit of a chance to distribute, lessening the bolus effect and the tearing of muscle, and of pain. I witnessed that thousands of times, once cheering when an out-of-town physician who was with his friend in our E.R. asked me to administer an injection slowly as I described. He was the only person in all those years who actually understood the mechanics. We give shots fast because we don't want to see that needle in the patient any more than they do, but we can know and do better for our patients. The same applies to pediatric patients, too. If the shot doesn't hurt (if we don't tear the muscle) they won't be so afraid of the next shot. Finally, I am aware of a patient who was administered epinephrine 1:1000 intravenously that was meant to be given intramuscularly. He was young and somehow managed to escape his ventricular tachycardia that that uneducated mistake triggered. Not aspirating, even when otherwise administering 1:1000 epinephrine intramuscularly per the standard into the vastus lateralis, can lead to inadvertent intravenous administration and death. There are plenty of other drugs out there that can lead to the same fate. To extrapolate from CDC guidance (which permits not aspirating while administering vaccines) in order to justify the practice of not aspirating in general during intramuscular injections...with the exception of the dorsogluteal site...is dangerously irresponsible, since not aspirating risks serious harm to the patient and offers no meaningful benefit. When we are dealing with millions of trainees (optimistically) we must use a systems approach and not expect every nurse to remember exceptions to the rules of aspiration. Let's analyze by comparing risk to benefit... Aspiration hurts nothing...Not aspirating risks killing your patient. Let's demonstrate our critical thinking skills here, and apply reason. References Aspirating during the intramuscular injection procedure: a systematic literature review - Sisson – 2015 – Journal of Clinical Nursing – Wiley Online Library.
  8. Where there are no guns there is no gun violence. No guns should ever be allowed inside any hospital ever, open carry insanity or not. This really should include law enforcement, who should be required to secure their weapon(s) in a locked box outside the hospital. People wrestle guns from law enforcement not infrequently, which included our E.R., followed by the policeman being shot by the assailant, who was cuffed in front so he could allegedly go to the bathroom. The policeman was taken to the O.R. as soon as he could be reached, and did O.K., and the assailant killed himself in the tiny bathroom where the fight of the policeman's life took place as he tried to take the weapon back from the assailant. It would have been a LOT simpler to not have a gun available in the first place. Too, whenever a patient arrives in handcuffs they should be cuffed to the stretcher, or at least to their wheelchair, whether or not the law enforcement officer sees that as necessary. That simple step prevents escape and snatching a child on the way out the door...yep. Benefits vs risk always...No guns in hospitals, please.
  9. It's an honor to be sharing with such esteemed colleagues. My story: I entered the patient's room in our Tallahassee Memorial E.R. and found him sitting up on the edge of the bed looking pretty healthy. He was maybe thirty years old and offered an immediate grin as he said, I think before he processed it, "Man, you're almost as ugly as I am!", to which I responded, before I processed it, "Almost!". We both burst out laughing. I think he was right, though. You all be safe. Rick Soskis, R.N. EXpired.

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