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I also wanted to add-- I learned so much more about proper body mechanics, how to look for side effects of medication, and about skin care in nursing school than I did when I took my CNA class (obviously). The information I learned in nursing school really opened my eyes and showed me the "why" I do things as a CNA. I wish I would have learned this stuff when I was a newbie CNA but I felt that even though I had a 100% in my CNA class that my education was lacking. I think that more education will also weed out abusers.

It's more so that you can attract higher quality aides not necessarily bottom of the barrel. I've worked with so many great aides who have left the industry or are looking to become nurses because there is no way to support yourself on barely minimum wage. I get paid 10 dollars an hour taking care of people and passing meds, but I could get paid more than 10 dollars an hour working at MC Donald's flipping burgers and have tons less responsibility. If we want good aides you need to pay for good aides.

That's why I thought about it at first because of the whole ring scandal with the creepy guy looking at kids. I just don't trust technology 100%

Thank you waiting for retirement I appreciate it!

Steve, experts do agree with me, https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2019-05-cameras-nursing-homes-aim-vulnerable.amp https://www.managedhealthcareconnect.com/articles/cameras-long-term-care-monitoring-surveillance-and-risk-management-concerns https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ltcombudsman.org/uploads/files/issues/cv-ncea-surveillance-factsheet-web.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiTsJyYp-XmAhVDq1kKHaIxDxcQFjALegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw02nRAQZP_EqaSBjCRqS4kj&cshid=1577981515750 So you can stop with the ad hominem attacks and treating me like I abuse my residents. Thank you. But seriously their are concerns for your bill and other states had this pushback as well. I don't live in a state that has in acted this yet but I do see concerns for it. Of course I see the safety benefits but I also see the safety pitfalls. Like if only the POA can view the video but how do you know that information is going to stay secure? How do you know that it won't end up on the internet somewhere, or that private medical information could be leaked? You haven't addressed any of my concerns instead you choose to attack me. Experts agree that we need systematic changes in LTC because the camera's really won't fix the problem. We need aides to be more educated, we need them to be better paid, we need safer staffing ratios. You say these things were perfect that the facility your mom was at. That they weren't overworked ect. But do you really know that? Because I'm doubtful of that "fact" Nursing care and CNA care gets sloppy when were overworked, or inexperienced. When I was first a CNA I had a fall even though the resident had a gait belt on and proper shoes. I went to reach for the toilet paper and let off the gait belt for a minute and she was that uneasy and fell. I was alone on my first day with no experience. Was it abuse? Nope. Was it due to lack of training and experience? Yep. I've done this for quite some time now and I do think we can catch abuse by putting up these camera's but if you had experience in the industry (which you don't) you'd understand that this is only a bandaid on resident safety. We really do need systematic changes if we want our residents to be safe which we both want. I can also worry about resident safety, and I can worry about the privacy of someone's mom or dad. Luckily I'm human and can see the pro's and con's of both sides.

I know it happens I reported an aide for abuse when I saw her pick up a resident and throw her onto the bed. I just don't think this is the only answer. We should be paying CNA's more, having safer staffing ratios, and make it harder to become a CNA because honestly to many uneducated people are in this profession. I think that would make a bigger difference. I'm also not against cameras in rooms as long as they can be turned off during personal cares because the elderly deserve the dignity of not having their loved one clean up their BM. I watched the video of your mother and it put a pit in my stomach. I can't believe their were multiple aides that were so cruel, but we need systematic changes rather than this. It's sad that people go into this profession knowing they should be helping the elderly than doing something like this.

Ok, but what about residents who are friends with each other. Should the residents just be stuck in their rooms alone, or should they be allowed to have friends. Because I do have resident X who is friends with resident Y and resident Y has their room recorded so resident X shares private medical information with their friend not knowing they're being recorded now the POA has information to that private medical information.

I'm sorry to hear about your mother, but what do you do during personal cares? I mean if the aides can't turn it off during personal cares I do think it is a privacy concern. Have you worked with the elderly? Personal cares are personal and I wouldn't want to see my loved ones to see me during my personal cares when if I had dementia. I find it pretty offensive that you would insinuate that people who find issue with this bill are abusing their residents. I've never abused my residents. I've been beaten to a bloody pulp by residents, bitten, punched, ect. But I would never dream of hurting them. I love my residents and care about their privacy, and their rights. I've seen emotionally abusive family members who could take advantage of this. I can also see the benefits of this of course, and again I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. But calling me abusive because I find some problems with this bill is extremely offensive.

Thanks for the reply, does she ever have visitors in her room, and how does that work with monitoring? I guess that's the only thing that concerns me. My great grandpa was a wanderer and he would often visit people's rooms to chat. I would have worried about his own privacy under a bill like this. Daycare's are also a little different because you often aren't changing them in the room, whereas in LTC we do a lot of changes in the room, so I think that that can also be a privacy concern. Otherwise I'm totally for this but do worry about the rights of my other residents .

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-bill-would-allow-families-to-place-cameras-in-rooms-of-elder-care-patients/95-b3c950eb-8b44-433c-a963-856761865991?fbclid=IwAR2ZNhc4oynwA1NHzwjsC4qP5hWXrbZNlVyctY_hFe3CeAE9nw2KT7GEpUE What do you think of this law that would allow families to place cameras in the rooms of elderly patients. I'm pretty against it mostly because we do a lot of cares in the patient's rooms and I think it violates the privacy of the patient. I mean does anyone want to see their demented parents throw their feces across the room because they were confused? Doesn't the patient have the right to have privacy and dignity when they have dementia or are going through delirium. I also worry about OTHER resident's privacy. Many times we have one resident go into another resident's room to hang out and talk or do whatever. Does that random resident have the right to be recorded. I can also see the flip side in concerns about abuse. I'm wondering what you all think about this new bill?

It was the hardest class to pass in my life, I just rolled my eyes all the time. She was pretty pompous and retired that year so I don't think she cared anymore.

I have always found it insulting when people ask why I want to work in long term care, as a CNA I've had people tell me to my face that only bad CNA's and nurses work in LTC and nurses and CNA's with "skills" work at hospitals. My nursing instructor told us this as well "We should work hard in school so we don't end up stuck working at a nursing home" I like working in LTC though. Again I'm just a CNA but I love knowing my residents names and pretty much everything about them. I like that they tell me they look forward to me working. It may be selfish but my residents actually bring me a lot joy and happiness, it's very rewarding work. We need better staffing ratios in LTC and it's a shame that the ANA in Mass. was against these ratios. We're in it for the long haul as the baby boomers get older and need more complex care, we need nurses, CNA's and doctors to care for these people. I hope as baby boomers get older nurses in the hospital, and new graduate nurses understand the growing need for LTC nurses. Working with the elderly is not as glorified as working in the ER, OB, or even med surg. but our elderly are the most vulnerable in society and deserve the best.

I just wonder if we had been checking prior to administering the med she wouldn't have passed out. I know it's her home but she had to go to the ER after she passed out and had a ton of tests done. She does have pretty bad dementia but she is very sweet and cooperative. I do understand what your saying though.

Thank you for the information I will keep this in mind. That's why I'm confused. She has extremely bad dementia and can't be in charge of anything so should the med pass person be assessing her condition after a med?

Thank you for the reply. I learned in my pharm class that we were supposed to assess bp and hr prior to giving a beta-blocker. However I also understand that what we are taught is not always the same as how something is done in the real world. I appreciate it a lot.