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No. It was not related to the bear spray. The only thing could have been was a increase of blood pressure. Probably from being in a stressful situation. Could have been anything. But keep pushing the narrative. People will still believe it. It's hard to know the "facts" when the "facts" turn to be false. I do not pretend facts don't exist, but I do tend to not believe everything I see or hear. It's up to ourselves to decide because the media sure isn't trustworthy. Weak argument. I could say you chose to nor believe the "facts" and are delusional. See? Going by my own eyes and all the info I have absorbed, that it was a 4 hour clown show and none of those people looked like they had any idea of what they were doing let alone stage an actual coup LOL. Nor did Trump. He sounds dumb , do you think his words actually staged a couple? Really? I guess if you tell people to peacefully and patrioticaly make your voices heard. If that incitement then okay.

Well, you kinda admitted it, " "Yes, when behavior and attitudes are reminiscent of 20th century fascists, that might get mentioned by members. I still think that Session's zero tolerance policy that considered permanent family separation a useful deterrent falls on the evil side if the morality scale". Sorry I should have said, " I don't "mention" members as being 20th century fascists like you do" when I do not agree or as a method of silencing people. Better? 1

Here's some more. https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/ https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-media-lied-repeatedly-about-officer Now how can you say the "facts" you think are true about Jan.6 are indeed "facts"?. Wapo (one of TMB favorites) seems to be a repeat offender. I never said my opinions were facts I just question what is considered facts. Not too comforting considering the BS I sourced above. Please forgive my many typos and mistakes in previous post. Typing fast and edit function not working.

I think I posted evidence that this did get blown up and misrepresented. And you seem to not like it. This isn't the only example either. Even sources you, the propaganda detector and decider believe to be reputable. Including the tool you referenced me. The struggle before his death really fid not have anything to do with it except his BP was raised. He could have drive home and got into a car accident and the same could have happened. Was it the car or the other drivers fault? (If the driver wasn't a Trump supporter of course". Trump spouted off a bunch of egotistical comments that a SMALL group of people took too litterally. He did not incite an inserection. Those people were a disorganized mess. They didn't know what they were doing. Imo reading all different types of sourced which evidently are not 100% truthful proved by my source. If I saw 100% proof this was caused by Trump, I would denounce him right away. You would coddle Biden if he killed puppies. Sounds like you believe anything that goes with your narrative, just like the dishonest people who reported this all wrong. P.s: it's not large scale election fraud but can you with a straight face claim the democrats did not exploit covid and mail in voting at all? Looool. Nevermind you wouldn't be honest anyway.....

Maybe because half of the country voted for him and he was the POTUS???

I do not call people Nazis like you do. All In attempt to silence a person using the death of 6 million Jewish people to do it. Sounds kinda evil don't ya think?

What are you even þalking about? What facts contradict my claims? That the media completely falsified this claim about the police officer who actually wasn't beat to death by "Trump inserectionist"? I mean it wasn't even just a slight deviation from the truth like, "because the officer died several hours after the insurrection, it was first believed that it was caused by events that had been taken place earlier in the day, along with false reports of beating with a fire extiguisher. However this has been shown not to be the case" No. Then they decided to furthervtheir propaganda by alluding that it was a allergic reaction to being bear sprayed... Then even with the autopsy it's still bring manipulated. Officer Sicknick had a condition in which he was not aware of. Yes, stressful situation causing increase of blood pressure leading to the 2 strokes. Any high stress police interaction put him at great risk or any situation which his BP would increase. Getting into a minor car accident voted cause that. So is the other driver responsible for his death because the crash increased his BP then he suffered a stroke? What??? But but still it was because of the riot, it caused his BP to rise. Instead of just correcting the story and moving on they could not just accept or let go of the political jewl that he died as a result somehow of Jan.6. Complete with an embarrassing flamboyant service at the Capital for the fallen officer.(he deserved his housed funeral but) Coming from the party of ACAB and defend the police. Do you not find that a bit disturbing? Do you mean that there has been reports of the "facts" that I ignore because I'm delusional? Even Reuters reported it falsely so what's to say any of the "facts" we heard are actually the facts? Same with Nick Sandman and Kyle Rittenhouse. Jussy Smoliet and the Nascar fake hate crime! All false reported "facts",. When an average person see this with their own eyes year after year and so blatantly, can you wonder why there could be a conditioning of believing something misrepresented as a stolen election? P.s: I never said that people believed something untruthful and committed crimes that day. However with the inflated BS I described above, can you blame me for thinking that this "inserection" may not be what these dishonest demagogues are saying it is? The FBI came out and said there wasn't a organized connection between Trump and his associates. But here we are having a enquiry. Just to keep up the BS narrative at all cost.

This is why I do not believe much about Jan.6. The total dishonesty of these "journalist" media is utterly despicable. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/20/update-capitol-police-officer-sicknick-died-natura/ Want to know why people don't buy this insurrection stuff? This, this is why. What's next? Nor to mention the utter theatric of the "fallen" officer lying in state at the Capital rotunda. Broad casting a false narrative to make sure everyone saw this poor officer who was killed by Trump Nazis. Almost funny but not really. Want to know why some people would believe that the election was stolen? This. This is why. Don't like it? Hold media accountable and the redicoulas democrats!!

Yes. I'm glad there is an inquiry into it. No. I think a bunch of dumb people got all worked up and did a horrible thing. Do I think It was some super covert mission to overthrow the US government?Or Trump's evil plan? Bahahaha. NO.

Yes! I have! A few times!! I was being hyperbolic none the less the terms have been thrown around which actually is an insult to the victims of these disgusting humans. However, Trump pr his supporters do not deserve that title regardless if anyone likes them or not.

I didn't. I thought you were referring to the American Flag. There was a Canadian flag there as well. No. I do not particularly that that secession flag. Group of losers.

No. Any believe that a particular person with a certain skin color is either inheritley racist or of a skin color that absolves them from being racist is flawed. Anything that uses skin color to deflect or assign guilt by virtue of skin color is flawed and racist. Your opinion of BLM Inc. is a result of your far left leaning media. And the self described Marxist that heads the BLM movement, who evidently secretly l9ves capitalism. . In which I speculate you agree with. Especially subscribing to a radical far left ideology that excludes one race of racism while asigning racism to another all by virtue of skin color and not by their actions or beliefs. . Then claims to be anti racist. Loooool I'm still waiting for that systemic racist law, policy etc. that happens in current society example I ask for. I wasn't insulted by any tool. I thanked you for the link to the tool you use. Anyway. I guess we'll see from thus Jan.6 committed which is completely not partial with no bias at all. Russian collision comes to mind.

Correction. I thought member TMB was talking about Islamic terrorist group not Nation of Islam. My edit function expired. But my question to TMB stands. Would you be just as offended and outraged if the Nation of Islam was the ones storming the capital? Or nah. They are POC and we all know that POC are not capable of instructions because of power or something.

Even if I did misunderstand the cause of death of Officer Sicknick (I did not) the way it was reported was that he was beaten by far right evil Trump supporting nazis. More left media lies. Don't even pretend to be truthful. Get it out there, even if not true and the chances a whole lot of people will believe if to be true because they do not really make an effort to retract their mistakes do they? Mission accomplished.

There is BLM in Canada. It's interesting that you mention I live in Canada so often as it somehow discredits my opinion. Do you actively discriminate against ones nationality? Besides, you live in Alaska, I live on the border so I'm closer than you are if you want to get immature.

The fact that you associate the American flag with that of a flag of a foreign terrorist group being on the same level speaks for itself. Question is, would you be just as discusted at Islamic terrorist flag on Jan.6 then you are about the American flag being there?

I have nothing really to disagree with here. I appreciate your admission that BLM riots outraged you. Probably the only person not of the republican persuasion that has the integrity to do so. Not to mention the courage. Thank you. Your respectful abeit assertive post has furthered my believe that we have fallen in a trap of who did what and away from coming together to solve an issue. It's more of winning an argument which is sad. Yes. Back to topic of the forum! ☺

So saying racism is illegal, that it might be problematic if a POC in a position of power, senator, mayor a police officer is prejudice or racist may be problematic, that people should be treated by their character not their skin color is flawed? Well slap me silly!! My opinion on Jan.6 is flawed? Well I think the same about you. Except there is evidence of your complete bias and hatred for everything republican and especially Trump. So your opinion on Jan.6 is bias at best. Am I bias? Yes all humans are bias to what they believe but there is an ability to see a bigger picture or have their minds change. When it comes to the republican party and Trump, you lack this ability. It's not often but if you posy something I agree with I will and have liked your comment. Now if I were to post something that you agree with, or any cincervative on here, would like the comment based on it content or nah, can't give a like to someone different than you. I notice that you did not give me an example of a systemic racist picture, law etc against POC within the past 20 years. It's okay, this is a Jan 6 forum. Let's not go off topic. Everyone can be racist. It's unfortunately a human condition. Quite ironically it's a condition in which we all share ....equally.

Thank you for posting a respectful reply in which you do not try to devalue my comment by associating it with the type of media I may be consuming. I condemn all types of violence for any reason. The trick is when people defend a certain side,or point out things the other side does or does not, they are automatically seen as thinking what happened was okay. I would have no opinion on Jan.6 to the effect of the differences between that day and all the days of unrest and violence if it wasn't the silence and approval of the Summer riots by the left. If they the the book at all the rioters in both situations then good. However they do not. Can you not see at least a slight difference in boas at all? Honestly? How things are reported? People will believe their own eyes. Jan.6 was a bunch of unorganized conspiracy theorist that somehow managed to breech the capital. They were no where near smart enough nor organized to overthrow the US government. However it was the worst thing in history and worse than 9/11? Tell me you never heard that? Just hold people accountable equally. Report situations as they are and leave out all the BS pissing contests. There is a problem with our media today that does not report the facts without an agenda. On both sides. Equally.

Yes the difference is, "chaz" was allowed to happen for days and days and the Democratic government did nothing. Actually applauded it. A occupation within a democratic country's borders. Established borders and "law enforcment" will barricades and "border patrol". A actual coup. Jan.6 lasted a few hours. Not saying it was okay but there is a stark difference. Tell me any republican applauding Jan.6.Calling it a "coup of love" or something like that. Looked like a disorganized mess to me. Did they succeed in their "take over"? No! Did "chaz"? Yes for a time. BLM the idea is a noble one I support. It does seem there is a large group of people who do not realize that. Chicago comes to mind. BLM the organization, is nothing but a well manipulated function of democrats to obtain power by the tragedies off the past historic racist atrocities. Discusting in my opinion. Please do not come back insulting my media etc etc. You have no idea what I consume. No way to prove it and no way for me to prove it either. Ha! More propaganda tactics.....

No. You do. Bigotry of low expectation. Your media has castigated POC as poor victims of the white man. The only thing more dangerous than an over racist is a racist that thinks they are not while thinking they are standing up against racism. Please tell me one law that that discriminates against POC currently in legislation that hasn't happened in the last 20 years. Go ahead, I'll wait. No one said there wasn’t ever systemic racism. However the idea that POC hold no power is insulting and a compete lie. Obama didn't have any power? Because the color of his skin? What? Now that sounds straight put of the 60's just like the water fountain and bus ancient history you stated above. Perhaps Asian Americans and white Americans being systemically denied university admission because of their ethnicity is a little discriminating don't you think? There s zero need for affirmative action. I'm a POC and refuse to write my race on any enterance or employment applications. There are POC police chiefs, senators, Dr's, governors the list goes on. I would believe they do not participate in the discrimination of anyone because they are good people, it's illegal, not because of their skin color. They write and enforce laws. They have power. Period. My media you say I subscribe to would devalue POC, not say they are capable, brilliant and resourceful. The skin color is irrelevant. Even if the "POC can't be racist because of power or something" was true, do you think that it might be a problem if they were prejudice? Especially in positions of power?(apparentlybthey don't have) Somehow a word flip makes it some how okay? Word sematics. Propaganda tactic in its easiest form. I think you know that. P.S Racial discrimination is illegal, systemically illegal for like decades. I'm not wanting to go off topic. Hold Jan.6 people accountable but hold other people accountable as well. I would take no issue with that and I donot think many Republicans would. Get back to basics, punish people for the crimes they committed not by their beliefs or skin color.

I mean seriously! They have an issue with Trumps shower heads? Soo dumb LOL

The fact that you omit any comments about "chaz" tells me that you do not want to discuss that attack on democracy. An occuping force within a US city...... but but... Jan. 6 reeeeeek well try to imagine what would happen if anyone but democrats in a non Democrat state would do if a bunch of gun slinging Texas citizens decided to construct a zone in which they control and run with guns. Not letting a specific type of person in or segregating them. You tell me. All the no power POC in the US government wouldn't do anything? Ha! Ya right.

Almost made it without referring to my "media". Lack power? You have a low opinion of POC. Left radicals like yourself think they can change definitions, like racism. I'll throw a bone, some POC do not possess the means in which their racism can cause the same effect as others dependent on the culture. However that's is no longer the case. As soon as POC are no longer politicians, police , senators, mayor or even fhe POTUS, then I'll buy the "the POC is just helpless poor and can't do nothin" false ideology. When POC can write and enact laws, they have power.

My last comment was meant to say, " doesn't fit quite right?". I see you make no mention about the overtaken "autonomous zone" complete with barricaded"walls". Is allowing that to happen while having local police stand down and no National Guard to assist them a threat to democracy? The last time I checked there have been a few occasions that this would be considered a terrorist attack. How did the democratic mayor and Governor go about that? They didn't, nothing, called it a Summer of love. Well there were some sexual assault that happened so I guess it depends on what love is. Could you imagine if a group of Trump supporters with their big trucks and American flags overtook an entire block and called it "the Patriot Freedom Zone"? And Trump did nothing?? How many of those criminals were arrested and put in jail without bond? So should the police have pretended they were unprepared the month s ater after Jan. 6 during the BLM protest at the capital? Because of diversity or something? Of course they acted differently, they were more prepared this time. Or should there have be different police response depending on the mobs skin color or political affiliation? One in which you agree with? Like POC can't be racist? Perhaps you can formulate a reply that doesn't include associating me with media that (you) have deemed not credible? Or insult me personally?