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50% Failed!!!!!

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I am not yet in the nursing program but making my way there. Our program is in a small town and at a tech school. The program is very challenging though. I was just astonished to hear the stats of last semester. The third sem is Acute Care and out of 80 students 40 failed and are re-taking the class. That scares me. has anyone else heard of something like this happening in there school. I wander why they keep giving us these stats, to scare us off or what. WHEW!!!:uhoh3:

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Our school in general loses about 25-30% of their students in the junior year during med/surg. That's pretty much a standard on our school every year.

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Wow, that is not good. I can't beleive it. I guess they are weeding out those that can't handle it. Our semester is the Acute Care semester that they get such high failure rates. It makes me just that much more determined. I am ready for it. I am preparing now for it.

We had a 60% failure rate the first semester. The second semester we lost 2 more students. Our third semester we lost one student. So far this semester I think we're all doing ok. We have one lady who has failed both tests, but I think that she'll end up passing somehow.

Wow, that really scares me and I'm not even in the program yet!

I attended nursing school in a rural town at the community college. Our class started with 54 students. We lost the majority in 1st semester and then only a handful the next 2 semesters. Went into the Critical care/4th semester with 18...ended with 9 (6 dropped d/t failing grades, personal issues, etc. & 3 failed at the end). Graduating class = 9 of us but with 100% pass rate. Same for the previous year.....started with 60 and graduated 9 - 100% pass.

Do not be discouraged. It's not about 'intelligence' although being smart is helpful. We lost so many because of the demands of the program....people just do not realize how demanding the program can be....we average 2-3 hours at home for every hour in class. For those of us with families it was very difficult. Some people just couldn't handle the stress. Of all the people that dropped and said "Oh I'll be back next year" - only one came back....and now is in the top of the class.

Work your hardest! Do your best! There will be bumps in the road for sure....but that only makes the ride more interesting!!:chuckle

Oh.....another note......

Our school has the most requested applicants for employment than any schools in the surrounding 5 counties. Employers know that our program is one of the most difficult and the nurses come out well prepared for employment. Our nurses go straight into critical care areas and are in high demand!!!!!:nurse:

Fail rate of 50% no matter how you read it is high. There is a high demand for nurses and no matter where they come from does not mean that that because a student passed with a C does not make that student any less than a nurse. The students that get A's sometimes lack bedside manner but, they look gook for the scores. Dont be dissuaded. If you work hard and try to be a good nurse you can do it but, put your name on a bunch of wait lists. Our school drops students like atomic bombs no empathy and an environment where you should already know. Tough school.

Good luck

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this often happens when these kinds of programs let just about anybody into them without doing any kind of screening as to their gpas or serious interviews that focus on the student's ability to be a student or their devotion to the course of study. if this is a private school, that may be what is going on and the school is just interested in collecting tuition. the school may have a policy that they admit all applicants. that doesn't mean that all applicants are going to make good nursing students! all it means is that they are giving everyone a chance to be a nursing student. what each student does with the opportunity is up to them. sometimes when the opportunity is too easy to obtain, people blow it.

concentrate on being a good student yourself, commit yourself to putting the effort into this and do whatever it takes to get yourself through and pass the nclex which is your ultimate goal to get licensed. after you are licensed it doesn't really matter where you went to school. jobs are only concerned that you are licensed and not where you went to school. all nursing schools in your state are licensed and approved to operate by your state board of nursing, so every employer knows they are teaching what they are supposed to be teaching you. as a manager who interviewed lots of nurses for jobs i can tell you that the school of nursing you go to was never an issue; we were only interested in the fact that you were currently licensed and what your previous nursing experience had been. employers know that new graduate nurses have to be taken by the hand and oriented to their new job--no matter if you went to an ivy league school or the school on the corner of the street!

Fail rate of 50% no matter how you read it is high. There is a high demand for nurses and no matter where they come from does not mean that that because a student passed with a C does not make that student any less than a nurse. The students that get A's sometimes lack bedside manner but, they look gook for the scores. Dont be dissuaded. If you work hard and try to be a good nurse you can do it but, put your name on a bunch of wait lists. Our school drops students like atomic bombs no empathy and an environment where you should already know. Tough school.

Good luck

One think though, statistic shows C students normally do not pass the nclex. I read, most students who pass the nclex were B students. I guess that is why most schools want to enroll students with high GPA and weed students who cannot achieve a B in most programs.

The school I am attending, the passing rate is 80. They figure, if a student can maintain 80, they have a higher chance of passing the nclex. It is all about the numbers for most schools.

There is a high demand for nurses and no matter where they come from does not mean that that because a student passed with a C does not make that student any less than a nurse. The students that get A's sometimes lack bedside manner but, they look gook for the scores.

Just curious, because I see it so often... why do some people feel the need to point out that A students may lack bedside manner (as if C students don't) rather than simply saying that C students can make fine nurses?

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Just curious, because I see it so often... why do some people feel the need to point out that A students may lack bedside manner (as if C students don't) rather than simply saying that C students can make fine nurses?

As I think you know, it is socially acceptable to "pick on" smart people, rich people, and fat people. If similar generalizations and assumptions were made about other groups of people (based on age, gender, religion, or race), it would be considered bigotry and be unacceptable. But somehow, many people feel it is "OK" to be prejudiced against smart people and/or people who work hard to succeed.

It's a shame that so many people in our society feels that way.

Back to the issue about high failure rates in nursing programs ....

In some programs, bad grades may be an indication of bad teaching. I won't deny that. But in many other instances, bad grades are due to the fact the some students just aren't academically ready for collegel-level work and/or aren't emotionally ready to make the necessary committment to study hard enough to get good grades. They think an hour or two per night of homework is enough.

An hour or two of homework per night is what I had in 5th grade. Full time college attendance should be the equivalent of a full time job. If you have class for 4 hours, you should expect to spend another 4 hours doing homework. If you have the "day off" from class, you should expect to spend at least 6 hours doing schoolwork. etc. Some people aren't prepared for making that level of committment.

While the schools like high GPA students when it comes down to it they need ppl to pass Nclex. IMO the schools would rather see a 50% drop rate while the student is still in school rather than a 100% graduating class and a 50% pass rate on boards....it a business to them....If the rate of student passing boards is to low their accredition can be pulled, because state board looking at the institute a failing if they can't produce passing students. If the students drop out while in program for either grades or personal reasons I don't think the states hold the school accountable.

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