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I do agree. I am one who cannot tolerate pain...I hope I wouldn't have to

It's a good thing Vitamin C has been discovered and used since! except by conventionals

I gave studies!... The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections. - PubMed - NCBI http://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/hn-2929001 Alll kinds of studies! :)

I personally find 1000 mg a day does well, except in cold weather it varies. Vitamins vary for every unique condition, and there's no set "prescribed" amount that seems to obsess conventionals. It's a vitamin. They're need at different times and different amounts for different people, which, it seems to me, only the person will know for themselves. Some need more, some need less. That's how vitamins go. Sorry if all this irks you. :)

It's easy to look up Vitamin C for one's self, it's not a prescribed drug, and I suggested it knowing how well it works for respiratory conditions, and for years. For that one's sake if she were interested enough she would do so. Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System http://www.webmd.com/diet/the-benefits-of-vitamin-c Benefits of Vitamin C - HowStuffWorks 15 ways Vitamin C keeps you healthy and fit! | Read Health Articles & Blogs at TheHealthSite.com The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections. - PubMed - NCBI I personally found supplements with bioflavanoids and rosehips were more effective than ascorbic acid alone. That may be why some studies show larger doses used in ascorbic acid. Also, there are more absorbable products, like liposomal now. I would consider that too. IVC can be administered by a doctor or in a hospital if needed as well. Whole food forms can be found in camu camu berry, and rosehips, That may be the most natural and preferable way. Only a 1/4 teaspoon of camu camu berry gives 500 mg of C.

And, Re: "Who is this magical 4 bad flu episodes person you keep talking about? And once again, I ask you - did this person get tested for the flu, or is it an assumption that that is what it was? Having 4 difficult "flu episodes" in 5 years has literally nothing to do with the flu vaccine. NOTHING." It goes back to Page 79: 0 Nov 6 by rusti1 Quote from Oh'Ello Yes, I get vaccinated annually. Yes it is mandatory at my workplace. My only concern is how my immune system would handle the flu without the vaccine. I've had the vaccine almost every year for 12 years. I've gotten the flu 4 of the last 5 years and was very very sick. One of those times with ARDS requiring intubation (H1N1). Now I'm afraid if I don't get vaccinated the flu will actually kill me. I have seen individuals released from their jobs for refusing vaccination, as I work in Hematology Oncology. They were able to secure employment elsewhere in the hospital system though. This was my answer: The vaccine itself is lowering your immune system. If you have to get the vaccine, please take Vitamin C before, during and after the shot. It will help you. In fact I would take it every day especially during cold weather. Vitamin C and Omega 3s. Maybe cod liver oil. Really, nothing? How many ended up in the hospital with the flu, having been vaccinated, I'd be very curious to know. O, and I was called "dangerous" for that advice. Vitamin C advice. I don't know what to say? You all have gotten so convinced of the flu vaccine's success, that this one thinks her flu would be "worse"?? without one? and, I'm dangerous? Omg

Re: Is it "respiratory problems all your life", or is it since you were pregnant. For real, pick one story and stick with it. It's both! :) Since a child, having bronchitis. This wasn't bronchitis but, one time I woke up with my throat closing, unable to breathe if I tried to clear my throat, kind of choking on my own phlegm..? My aunt took me to her doctor, who took off my shoe and sock and simply pressed the sole of my foot, (my right foot I remember:), and the next minute my throat completely cleared. Actually, less than a minute. I'd be so happy to see ER's knowing that procedure!...The slightest cold, especially cold water, and I'd start sneezing. I kind of grew out of it, though still susceptible to cold. Then asthma began as I said. So, it's both. As a child and as an adult. Even now, I start coming down with cold symptoms many more times than a usual person would, but, I know how to catch them quickly with vitamins (esp C). That's how I know a little about it, and what that poor nurse needs.

Ixchel, if someone doesn't tell your sister nurse there that getting yet another vaccine, after 4 of 5 years of flu episodes almost putting her out despite being vaccinated, she may not survive this one, I am not the one who is "dangerous". You along with most are brainwashed in the vaccine hoax as well that the flu vaccine itself doesn't cause the flu. I only gave her some advice in order to survive the vaccine.

My "ivory tower"? I listened to conventional medicine for years, not questioning, assuming they're expertise, being on 4 asthma meds including steroids. I also "listened" and got the vaccine! But, then got the flu soon afterwards. I learned for myself alternatives (like simple vitamins) work just as well if not better, without the side-effects. Going whole-food organic helps even more. I didn't get either advice from conventionals. Mention a vitamin and it's like you have 2 heads, and the usual "You get enough in your food!", which is totally amazingly un-"scientific" since there's no way anyone would know how much they themselves get or need in their own foods, let alone someone else thinking they do, despite all their "education" in it. Disease is a result of poor nutrition and lack of natural immunity built up with vitamins in foods, (or supplements if/when needed) thankfully today. I don't have a problem with good technology either. I have 'survived' years without a vaccine, and I'm ok with that anyway. Ok, so I'm done here...for now. :)

I'm sure you are well educated in your "science", but, reality is what speaks to me. Health has not improved in the last 50 years. It's only become more dependent on synthetic drugs that may take care of one thing, but cause 10 other ill-effects, calling for more synthetic drugs to target those symptoms. I'm sorry, but, there are better ways to deal with even infectuous diseases that have been so magnified, including how many other vaccines that are now "necessary". The fact that I (being very susceptible to respiratory problems all of my life) can "escape" the ravages of flu for 10 years, not having a vaccine, shows me they do not have to be the "scourge" they have become, that is, if one is actually educated in less dangerous/toxic ways of health. That's my reality now, and many others who are learning for themselves. I wanted to at least give one nurse here a chance to find out for herself. Having 4 difficult flu episodes in 5 years shows the ill-effect of the vaccine that's all.

Are you speaking of children worldwide #s?. Because malnourished children can get deathly ill from a cold. Malnourished children need real food and nutrients. That's what keeps measles, the cold, the flu and most other infectuous diseases not so dangerous. Btw, I'm amazed at the outrage to push vaccines, but, when vaccines actually cause 140,000 children to be crippled for the rest of their lives, nothing is said. Well, besides, well, "that's the breaks" of our "risk/benefits" that we determine.

Ok well, it supposedly "stopped the spread" of a mild childhood disease (not the plague) that we were encouraged to get, and be immune for life. It still didn't stop the 6 who were vaccinated from getting it, so no guarantees there either. And, as far as I know, no one "suffered" much either. Those who were not vaccinated are now immune for life! There is no way anyone can prove everyone in the park were in contact with those who had the measles. I would imagine once noticed they were kept out of the public. So, the measles vaccine is taking credit for something unproven (and not very scientific is it).

Really, the odd thing is, the vaccine is not "guaranteed" from anything too. So, I actually don't know who's "protected" there either. Of course the unvaccinated are the first to blame with "blood on their hands". This is all becoming rather surreal to say the least. :Ghost: Not having the flu from NOT getting the vaccine is my encounter. :)

I suppose you all remember the "Disney 20". The biggest deal of how children not vaccinated got the measles (a once mild childhood disease we all got btw). Well, it wasn't a surprise that the 15 UNvaccinated got the measles. What was surprising was the 5 (not just 1) of the 20 who WERE vaccinated got the measles anyway. That wasn't given a second thought though. :)

What harm is the vaccine causing?...well, for one, I would think the adjuvants injected year after year, have an effect. I never questioned anything for years, (like everyone else), but, it's alarming now how many toxic substances are going in vaccines, and not just mercury. And, it's not just one. Children get 26 from birth to just get to start school. I suppose then the flu vaccine each year for them as well. Then to hear adults getting bad reactions, and the constant downplay and denials. I've read too many "exceptions" to no longer ignore what they may be doing. What responses I've gotten on most of those experiences are the typical ones, but, then there's the personal attacking of poor mothers who are going through literal hell with their once happy, healthy children. I guess I didn't want to get too much into it. But, you asked :)...Just going to the CDC site itself, reading all the substances should be a little disturbing I would think. Anyway, that's it. Besides my own little "experience", I can see how frustrating it is for those who have suffered much worse, only to be dismissed. The part that's more disturbing now is actually forcing people (including children) to take them like it or not. That's most disturbing, and sounding even more "fishy". The "herd" immunity is beyond belief, running the "blood is on your hands" if you DON'T get vaccinated. I'm dumbfounded with it.

:) "And lived to tell the tale" ...and I'm glad you did too! I asked about doctors being vaccinated only because I heard one place they weren't (not in NY). Thanks Farawyn, was just wondering. Like your LOTR-like nic too lol

I do have a question. I know how many places are mandating vaccines for nurses. However, I heard they're not always mandated for doctors..or are they? Just wondering your thoughts on it if they're not.

Well, there's reasons I am "anti-vax". What were yours? There's reasons I like vitamins, because they work for me. I don't take them because someone told me to. I only tried them on a whim, and they worked, very obviously. Having outward health signs like asthma, colds, respiratory, I could see the effect for myself. My son actually found the effect after years of allergies. He didn't know what "breathing normal" was. He was always clogged up and sneezing. I would mention taking vitamin C once in a while, but he didn't listen, until, one day, he did. He began taking it and some other vitamins daily, and within a few months his allergies stopped. So,it's not "just me" there either. His headaches that he had regularly stopped as well, but, I have to add, we also went wholefood organic as well. It seems the combination are a one-two punch on respiratory problems and allergies, at least from what I've seen. As I said, it's truly ironic to get the one flu vaccine in years, to only have the flu, flu like, whatever laid out afterwards, and not since. I am not convinced of the flu vaccine at all, but, I am becoming more aware of the harm it actually may be doing. Just curious, did you go to the link I gave also?... Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System ok, and on your link there it says: Vitamin C (1 g per day). One preliminary study suggested that children with asthma had significantly less wheezing when they ate a diet rich in fruits with vitamin C. Vitamin C does have anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties, which may help you maintain good health. Some studies suggest that taking a vitamin C supplement (1 g per day) may help keep airways open, but other studies show no benefit. "some studies suggest taking a C (1g per day) may help keep airways opne, but other studies show no benefit".... :) yea, that the confusing, confounding things about "science" and "studies" isn't it. I found they do work very nicely.

Re: Please forgive the rude, straightforwardness of this question, but why are you here on allnurses? I ask because based on your above statement, you clearly think nurses are idiots and our approach to evidence based practice is unfounded. You aren't a nurse or in the medical field in any way. You seem to be on a mission to break us nurses of our conspiracy-laden chains, which, as you've seen, will not ever happen because we know how actual research and the immune system REALLY works. So, why are you here? Are you legitimately trolling us? Because it would be good to know so I can stop wasting time on this. Of course you're not idiots. You're educated and informed, but, it does matter what one is educated and informed of. I came here from a google search, and I do see it's for nurses only. Just had to include my experience with flu, respiratory problems, and vaccines as the subject that's all. I understand I'm not part of the "club". Still, felt compelled to tell that poor soul about vitamins before the flu (or the vaccine) does even more damage next time. I find it difficult to have to "apologize" for it, but, I do. :)

Ok, I did go to your link there, and it said a few times "Page not found". However, here's one that may give info too: Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System Lots of studies that seem to confirm what I know there actually.

Maybe true, but, not in my experiences with "colds" and what I had that time...head ache, fever, chills, body ache, feeling of being hit by a truck all at once. Certainly not like any other beginning of a "cold" I've had. In any case, my fav vitamin "hero" C and "cold protocol" worked for me :). Just want to say, it's only in the presence of "professional" medicals, do I feel like some kind of "enemy" mentioning natural remedies that work so well. As I said, I wonder how much we're on the same page of "health" concerns. Actually "warning" me to not say what I know. It is not writing out dangerous prescriptions, it's speaking of how well vitamins might work. There is a difference.

Of course his one experience doesn't "prove" anything to those who don't know how amazing Vitamin C is personally (as I do), but, nevertheless, I think it's worth mentioning. I've had many times the beginning of a cold, one time "flu-like" symptoms, and once again used Vitamin C along with honey, apple cider vinegar and cinnamon, and amazingly, they altogether apparently stopped the symptoms too! It does depend on how quickly one can catch them imo. So I found. This is years of experience speaking :) So, pardon me but, I think there's something very wrong with those "science" studies. Maybe how they're done. Maybe what they use. I just wouldn't wait for them to "prove" too much.

:) I got asthma first as an adult, when 5 or 6 months pregnant with my first son. It wasn't too bad for years, just taking some theophyline (sp) once in a while, but, in my late 30s it progressed. On 4 medications, including steroids time to time. I had enough, and one time thought of how Vitamin C might be good for colds, so I thought (silly as it seems) "I wonder if it will help with asthma too?". So, I went out and bought some, very cheaply, and, for some amazing reason, within a few minutes an asthma attack would stop! I thought..."Nah" this can't be that easy". But, then I dared to try it again the next time, and, it happened again. Then again, over and over. Stupidly, I wasn't taking it daily not liking pills anyway, so that's how it went for quite a while. It was hit and miss sometimes, and I'd need my inhaler as well. Anyway, that went on for years. I finally got the idea maybe I'll take it daily, at least in the winter when I had the most problem (with colds and asthma). So, slowly, interestingly, I found I wasn't getting as sick as I used to. It's been years not having a cold or asthma attack as well. I shared earlier, it was only when I had a vaccine that I actually got sick (for 9 days of "flu-like" symptoms laying me out). That was the last. I'm sorry if it's gotten to mentioning vitamins now as being "dangerous" or "scary". It's funny to me.

ixchel...why did you change your pic? :)...and thank you for that lesson. I would like to say, Vitamin C is a natural antihistamine, and it has bein used on very serious cases (like your x-ray there) in one dying of influenza, and actually saved his life. C is what the body uses naturally to clear out fluids, and is a strong antiviral itself.

Ty :) I just wanted to say, it's not measurable because it's true, everyone is different. Different diets, habits, etc. But, everyone needs vitamins. That's what's in food that the body uses for health and healing. It can help heal itself if it get's enough of them. How much works for one or the other is not clear, but, it is clear, they are what works with the body best. Someone may well get enough vitamin C in their 2 fruits a day. But, others may need more. Since we're not in perfect climates and health conditions to begin with, it varies person to person. Just one thing, I know, respiratory problems like the one who had the flu 4 years in a row, is in poor shape, and she obviously needs more than what she's getting in her food.