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So I spoke with my dean recently. The concurrency issue apparently has been a big agenda topic during their ADPCN meetings of late. I'm not really sure what they're planning to do about it but it seems to foster impassioned debate among their ranks. My dean told me that the case requirements existed since the 1950's. And it has existed as a tradition now, being passed down from one revised BSN curriculum to the next. However, she says she's always been for their abolishment, because the numbers (previously 5, 5, 5 and now 3, 3, 3) are rather arbitrary. Moreover, if there are going to be requirements for the DR and the OR, there might as well be case requirements for all areas in nursing. Why not set requirements for various ward procedures? She says these numbers aren't necessarily the best way to measure competency, because PRS rating scales, though standardized, are really hard to apply uniformly between all clinical instructors, across all hospitals, and among all students. There should be a better way to evaluate competency that doesn't require particular "cases." I guess I can see her logic, and I myself would support eliminating them as a formal requirement. Seems like everything would be so much easier if they never existed.

You all have excellent points. Thank you. :)

That will be a while, since I'm still in the Philippines haha. But if and when I do, I'll do just that! Thanks! :)

Ah ok so it means that you are endorsing a US RN license but had foreign education. Thanks, JustBeachyNurse.

I think the documents about your cases are what CA BRN will use to determine if your theory and clinicals are concurrent. I know cases are not necessarily the same as clinicals but that's a different issue. Maybe you can ask your dean to write a letter for you explaining that you fulfilled your case requirements. If you received a certificate of undertaking upon graduation, that would also be proof. But neither of these would prove exactly when you completed your cases and so I really don't know how CA BRN will respond to that. I think your scenario is unique. If you send a letter to CA BRN explaining all of this, please let us know what the response is. Good luck :)

Only an excellent nurse could reply so therapeutically! You must be a gem in the field. Even the username is telling. Thank you, one1morestep.. :)

Is this El Camino, California? If so, you should post this in the California section.

I was reading through the IL application packet and was off-put because of the note on page 5 saying, "Excelsior College is an unapproved nursing education program in the State of Illinois due to the fact that it does not have concurrent theory and clinical components as required by the Illinois Practice Act." Thatladinzip7001 was able to get his ATT here though. Maybe you didn't have a concurrency problem? I'm not from Excelsior College but I do have cases completed oncall, sigh. In addition, another issue that raises my brow is the section in the application for foreign educated nurses who can apply by endorsement (and not necessarily by examination). Does this mean that if I have a Phil license I can just fill this section out and bypass the NCLEX? Sounds too good to be true, haha.

I was under the impression that most Phil grads started being denied if you graduated 2009 or later? When did CA BRN start becoming strict anyway?

There's a section in the NYSED application that asks for your local license information.

I hope so! Thank you :)

Yeah, I'm aware that even getting that ATT will be very difficult. I guess I'm not anticipating to get my ATT any time soon, much less work as an RN, but I'd really like to start working even as a CNA or any job that will put me in contact with patients.

Let me preface by saying that reading through some of the posts on here about a lot of new local grads and even experienced nurses looking for jobs in CA kind of makes me hesitant and ashamed to ask, but for the sake of just courageously putting myself out there, I'm going to try anyway... So I'm a recent Philippine BSN graduate and am looking to apply for CA licensure by examination. The application is still pending and it will be a longgg wait. I'm still in the Philippines, but if I decide to relocate to CA within this year or early next year, I'm wondering how likely it will be for me to land any job in health care? I wouldn't mind being a CNA for a while, for example. I really need to get my feet in the door. What are my options? For what it's worth, I am a US citizen with a previous physiology degree from UCLA. (I was raised in California.) Unfortunately, I have zero work experience. So how employable am I? My only other pertinent information is that I was once licensed as a CNA in California, but I never worked as a CNA because I only used that certification to apply to certain California nursing schools. I was accepted to one but had to drop out after 2 days because of a family tragedy. And for this and other reasons beyond my control, I would end up finishing my BSN in the Philippines. Thanks for the advice!

Yeah I've read through those articles and they're pretty depressing for those of us foreign grads with legitimate credentials. About 5 years ago I had a cousin with a Philippine BSN and who had applied for CA licensure by examination, and it took only 2 months to get his ATT. Then he took his NCLEX and began working as a nurse shortly thereafter. Sigh, how the times have changed. So at the advice of my aunt, who is a nurse in CA, I shouldn't send that letter to CA BRN because it's may come off as argumentative or inflammatory in some way, possibly causing me to become profiled. So when I get my Philippine RN license in a couple weeks, I'm just going to send my application in the usual way. I'm hoping to get some advice as to how I should go about doing this... A. Should I just go the traditional route and send in the bare minimum for the initial application? (And then wait for CA BRN's response and request for follow-up materials, and then send those in at a later time?) or B. To save time, send in everything that CA BRN seems to have been requesting from Philippine grads as supplementary material after their initial application? This means I would also just send in: photocopies of US passport, SSN card, academic calendars, clinical rotation log, case forms, etc (hmmm...am I missing anything?) I would also probably send in a letter from my dean (if she will write one for me) explaining clearly that while I have had to do oncall duty to complete my case requirements, theory and clinical practice components per each given semester were indeed nevertheless still concurrent--that clinicals and case-completion duties are not the same.

I'm a recent Philippine BSN graduate and am looking to apply for NY licensure by examination. The application is still pending and it will be a longgg wait. I'm still in the Philippines, but if I decide to relocate to NY within this year or early next year, I'm wondering how likely it will be for me to land any job in health care? I wouldn't mind being a CNA for a while, for example. What are my options? For what it's worth, I am a US citizen with a previous physiology degree from UCLA. (I was raised in California.) Unfortunately, I have zero work experience. So how employable am I? My only other pertinent information is that I was once licensed as a CNA in California, but I never worked as a CNA because I only used that certification to apply to certain California nursing schools. I was accepted to one but had to drop out after 2 days because of a family tragedy. And for this and other reasons beyond my control, I would end up finishing my BSN in the Philippines. Thanks for the advice!