This thread bares alot of discussion, there are pros and cons to the subject as is the case in all ethical situations. I'm sure there was discussion at the hospital where this occurred. The student might not have been privy to all of it. But, along with ethical discussions comes professionalism. Please be careful about calling someone a moron. None of us deserve that kind of disrespect. We need to build up each other and our profession, not tear it down. I understand there are strong feelings involved in issues such as this, but if you weren't there, and don't know all the facts, then you didn't walk a mile in that instructors shoes. As for me? Well, I'm working on my Masters and on certificates in clinical and bioethics and also in clinical ministry. I'm hoping to carve out a position as a consultant to nurses, patients, families that are in situations like this and to help in the decision making process thats best for everyone. Babinurse