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This post is addressed to excellent pinoy RNs who already have a letters of eligibility to undergo a bridging program in Australia. I recently have found a pathway for you to be registered as nurses in Oz that would cost you heaps less than the average cost these days. If you are interested, you can send me a private message. Please give me your reasons why I should share this information with you. Also, send your complete CV, and outline your skills. You may choose to leave out the names of your school and workplace for privacy reasons. But you need to convince me why I should help you. You may also cite your personal circumstances without necessarily giving information that could reveal your identity. If you are successful in gaining registration through this pathway, I guarantee that you would want to locate me so you can buy me the fastest and most expensive laptop there is as a gift or something similar because of the money you save. But of course i would refuse such a gift. I am sorry I cannot share this information to everyone as it would decrease the chances of the less fortunate yet deserving excellent pinoy RNs who aspire to call beautiful Australia their new home. This information will be shared only to the top 3 pinoy RNs who in my opinion deserve this help. I have now emptied my inbox. Good luck

you will pay custom duties only if the total cost of the package is over 900aud.

haha. sometimes i wear short pants.... no kidding

cioman nice to hear from you again

i enterred australia twice with my 456. first time i had a roundtrip ticket. was never asked for the ticket. so the second time i bought a one way trip. wasnt asked to show it either. just have your credit card ready so you can purchase one if questioned.

Sorry for making you feel like your energy is being sucked up. Some hospitals in Au consider working in an aged care facility as experience but then again, it would be harder to move up in acuity than to move down( its easier to move from hosp to aged care than from aged care to hosp). If hospital setting is really your passion, maybe you can try aged care and get permanent residency first, and after that move on to hospital setting. If it is your passion then nothing should stop you from going. Actually I accepted the aged care work not mainly for the reasons you cited above. I accepted it because it was the first employer willing to sponsor a 457 business visa. I sent hundreds of applications for months. I got interviewed and was offered jobs in hospitals but they were not willing to sponsor. At that time they were only hiring parttimers and casual pools. and 457 requires fulltime work. From time to time I still get phone calls from hospital settings as a result of the applications I sent almost a year ago and this time they are willing to sponsor me. (remember, I have 3 years medical-surgical experience and from a very good hospital at that) but I turn them down. I love aged care. I love the setting. I love the challenge. Clinical skills wise in aged care, really, to be honest is a no brainer. you can do it with your eyes closed. But still it is very hard to finish everything. the key to success in this area lies in your ability to manage and lead a team and in your ability to think proactively. I like what I do. While crazy days do happen, more often than not, I go home and have a really good sleep, knowing that I have made such a huge difference. My DONAC ( director of nursing) loves me for the effort i bring to the team. My colleagues are happy to work with me. And I get so much satisfaction when some residents would genuinely tell me they are glad I am here. I love palliative care (contributing to a peaceful death- remember V. Henderson?) and besides, though my hourly rate is lower compared to hospital setting, I can earn more than my hospital counterparts if I like because I can do lots of overtime because there is the need. ( for hours worked in excess of 76 hours in a fortnight, they are paid 53 aud per hour. But that's just me.

It would be easy to find a job in Australia if you have years of experience under your belt. These days it would be near to impossible to land a hospital RN job if you have little or no experience especially in cities. But this does not mean that there is no way for a non-experienced Filipino RN who successfully got registered with AHPRA to get an RN job. Aged care is not very popular with newly registered Australian RNs and there are quite a number of places vacant in this sector. So if you are open to aged care nursing, there is a good possibility for you to be sponsored a 457 visa. If you do your research, you can actually find aged care providers that offer good wages and have good working conditions. Some really do suck but others are quite fine. I actually quite enjoy working fulltime in an aged care setting in a small town in Queensland. I am a level 1 RN and I get a base pay of 26.74 AUD per hour. I work full time and I often get overtime because the facility often has difficulty in getting agency nurses ( as a rule, employers generally do not want their employees to go overtime). When shift allowances and weekend penalties are included, I normally get a fortnight's pay between 2500 to 3400 AUD before taxes. And for someone who is used to getting 14k php per month as a nurse in the Philippines, that's not bad at all. But don't get the idea that aged care nursing is easy. It is not easy and that is why it is not very popular among newly registered nurses. I find it easy because I have 3 years of medical-surgical experience and have more than two decades of managing different types of people. Acute care experience is helpful if you want to work in aged care. In aged care, the RN is the highest skilled staff and you don't get enough support from clinical nurses because chances are, you will be working on your own, with EENs, ENs, and AINs under your supervision. This is particularly true during late shifts and night shifts. If you are up to taking care of 40 high care residents, 40 low care residents, 10 secure dementia residents and 4 to 5 palliative care residents and at the same time managing 6 to 10 nursing staff (EENs, EN, AINs);then sign up for aged care nursing Your duties will include: administering regular and prn medications, authorising EENs to give PRN meds; you do peg feeds, ngt feeds, wound care, colostomy care, tracheostomy care, managing oxygen therapy, continence care (inserting and removing catheters)teaching AINs, managing ****** AINs (oh yes you will have heaps of em), assessing, making care plans, ensuring plans are carried out, evaluating, documenting, etc.. You will also have 2 to 5 residents on syringe drivers for their pain meds. You will answer phone calls from family members, appease them if they are irate. You will change the roster and find replacements if a staff or two will call in sick( sometimes you spend an hour looking for replacements). You may have a resident or two who are psychotic, sometimes you would be lucky to have a bipolar resident who would b**ch the RN and staff for any issue under the sun. You will always have residents that are sundowners, residents that keep on wandering, and high care residents who abscond. From time to time your residents will have asthma attacks, will get really huge skin tears, sometimes a resident will have a TIA on your shift, sometimes a resident will have a stroke, an MI, shortness of breath, a head contusion, a hip or femoral neck fracture etc... Being the highest skilled staff, you will assess, give immediate intervention, decide whether to call the ambulance, call the doctor or call the family. You will experience residents die. You fill out loads of forms, incident reports, progress notes, ACFI notes. You normally will have 2 med rounds in the early and late shifts. Each round takes approximately an hour and a half to two hours to finish. Some days are really good but some days could really get crazy. At the end of the day, you realise that,well, that is what you signed up for; so you can't really complain. If you are the type of person who can think on your feet, and if you are not so choosy even if you have no experience, you will surely find an RN job after you get registered. There is one way to find out: get registered and see what happens! Cheers.

General skilled migration is different from long stay business visa subclass 457. When applying for a subclass 457, you will need the ahpra license, police certificate/ clearance, passport, an approved business sponsor, health cover, medicals, and proof of english proficiency( ielts or OET). Better send a scanned copy of the original results for the english exam to avoid hassles, although in my opinion, you can argue and convince the case officer that you don't have to send the ielts since you already have the ahpra license and that without the ielts, you will not be granted the license in the first place. Try to talk to your case officer ( DIAC) for any concerns; you will be surprised that they are really so very reasonable.

I agree. arntp is a good option if you have 2 years experience.

I did not finish arntp from unisa. I had undergone BP in one of the hospital providers in Perth. ARNTP is different from BP. It was in place before the AHPRA came into effect. When AHPRA came into effect, it has to recognize the UNISA arntp pathway. arntp comes in between the Bridging program and Conversion course. Just like any conversion course, some universities do not require eligibility letters as long as you meet their entry requirement criteria. But to make sure better contact unisa and if you do please share what they have to say about this.But based on their flyer, eligibility letters are not required.

The University of South Australia's Australian Registered Nurse Training Program (ARNTP) is a non-award professional certificate for registered nurses who already hold a diploma or degree in nursing. This program prepares overseas qualified registered nurses with the knowledge, skills and attitudes to enable them to meet the Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia's competency standards to register and practice as a registered nurse in the Australian healthcare system. Students who successfully complete the ARNTP will be eligible to apply for registration as a registered nurse with the Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia under the new national registration and accreditation scheme. Entry requirements apply, but eligibility letter from ahpra is not one of the requirements. http://www.unisa.edu.au/nur/what_we_do/pdf/ARNTP_flyer.pdf Therefore, you will have to submit your application to ahpra when you already finish the arntp, not earlier, otherwise, ahpra will assess your application and will issue an eligibility letter to take the BP. If you apply after you finished the arntp, you will be issued a license. As to the time frame of license issuance, it is anybody's guess. As for the format of the cv, please take time to review the part 1 of this thread and start around page 600. Good luck to you and congrats for being accepted at unisa.

way to go isobelle!

@nosaj 1.5 to 2k aud per m0nth of stay should be enough show money. In my case before i only had 300k php in my acct and my 456 was approved. If you have more than that i think that would be great. Although I know of a colleague who only had 100k php plus a letter of support from an australian resident relative whose 456 was also approved, it would be advisable to be on the safe side and show at least 300k php.

To those who are thankful because my posts have helped them in one way or another, you are all welcome. The pleasure is mine. Really. I am always glad to be of help and will continue to do so if time permits. And thank you too for your kind words. Mabuhay!

internship is equivalent to our rle rotations where we apply the nursing process (adopie) to persons, families, or communities under the supervision of a qualified clinical instructor observership can also occur during our rle hours when we had the opportunity to observe competent nurses perform nursing skills. during observership we do not touch the patient. this is true during orientation to new wards, or facilities. it can also occur post-license period as when you are oriented for two weeks before work or before commencing a volunteer job. the defining factor really is that you do not touch the patient and do procedures. you need to include these info in your cv under work/practice history. you can be very detailed about this or you may opt to summarize. the important thing is that you provide the dates, area of practice( whether it is acute care, medsurg, pedia, maternal, pscyh, community health etc..), brief description of the types of patients seen, and nursing skills involved. make sure you can submit appropriate documentation to support. If your school can provide you the rle clockhours/ breakdown of rle clock hours so much the better. If not, you ask your dean to give a certificate as to the veracity of the rle duties/ and areas. post grad trainings, where you apply the nursing process and touch patients, include them under practice history; if your training does not include direct patient care, place it under observership. under clinical and procedural skills, I suggest that you outline all the basic nursing skills in table form and indicate beside each skill whether you are competent or whether you have just observed those skills. I dont know about your school, but in my uni we were required to be assessed as competent on a list of nursing skills. from assessing health,vital signs taking to asepsis, patient safety, hygiene, environmental care, bedmaking, cbg, collecting urine,stool specimen, medication administration,all the routes, skin integrity and wound care,perioperative skills, activity and exercise, pain management, nutrition, ngt,tube feedings, fecal elimination, enemas, urinary elimination, catherization care bladder irrigation, oxygenation, iv therapy etc.. to be assessed as competent, we must be able to show the clinical instructor that we have performed the skill independently and correctly at least three times and it has to be witnessed by the instructor. so we need at least 3 signatures beside each skill. It took us a long time to accomplish because there were more than a hundred skills involved and there are limited opportunities for the performance of some skills, but the checklist complete with 3 signatures and the or/ dr cases are required for graduation. If you have the same checklist, you can use that as guide. or you may use this http://mcintranet.musc.edu/clined/PCTStudentTech/CON%20Nsg%20Skills%20Checklst%20MUSC.pdf or you may make an outline of all the skills using your kozier as guide or taylor's clinical nursing skills. In australia, you are also considered as competent in a skill if you know the rationale, theory, have determined the safety, patient benefit, and have performed correctly the skill under supervision of a competent nurse at least three times. It may seem overwhelming, but in Oz, you are not expected to be competent in ALL the nursing skills. I think no nurse will ever be. But you must at least be competent in all the basic nursing skills. madugo talaga to prepare this cv. but it is not that hard.

notary public will do.

to those who are planning to obtain a license in australia and intends to have the BP sometime in 2011 yet, if you already have passed the ielts and if you have not yet submitted documents to ahpra, i suggest you go the NMBWA route. it is quicker, and more straightforward.

if you live outside australia, you can have a notary public certify the documents. or any of the persons you just mentioned. but i think the most convenient person to access in order to have your documents certified as true copies is a notary public.

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Hi guys, it feels like I am new here. I have been very busy with work, lovelife, and fatherhood. I am so happy to see three fellows granted multiple entry visas. Congrats to reiken, drednag, and gemini star. @salmonella, liaa, and mikyong Part 11.1 of the AGOS, requires you to write your most recent qualification, assessments/examination. Since you passed the NCLEX RN exam, you would need to put that under 11.1 if that is the most recent. If you obtained a California RN license after passing the NCLEX, then that means you obtained a qualification to practice in California, and you would need a state verification of license sent to AHPRA. Your 11.1 should look like this: Title of qualification: Registered Nurse Name of Institution: California Board of Nursing Country: USA However, passing the NCLEX does not automatically qualify you to work as an RN in some states like California because the NCLEX is just one of the requirements to obtain a qualification/ license. Another stupid requirement is the social security number. If you don't have an SSN, then you will not be qualified in California yet and you cannot obtain a state verification of license. But since you passed the NCLEX you need to declare that and if I were in your case I would put under 11.1 this: Title of qualification: NCLEX RN Name of Institution: NCLEX/Cabon Country USA Comp date : date of exam Length of Prog: examination Then I would photocopy the letter from Cabon stating that I passed the NCLEX and I would have it certified as true copy and send it as attachment. I think that would be enough. If they would ask for a verification of license, that would be the time I will send a letter stating that I only passed the NCLEX but was not yet given a license because of SSN requirements hence, verification of license is not possible. Anyway, you will most likely be assessed under category c, and you will be required to take the BP. So whether you put your being an NCLEX passer or not, would not really make a difference. Unless you were licensed in the USA, and you worked as RN for at least 1 year fulltime equivalent, there is a chance that you will be assessed under category b and BP will no longer be required. There is no precedent yet with AHPRA but with the previous boards like QNC and NMBWA, if you were licensed in the the US and have the minimum required experience, BP is not required. This also answers reiken's question re her sister. There is no precedent with AHPRA yet. But there is a chance BP will be waived, based on previous stateboard rules. If i were reiken's sis. I would gamble and send application to NMBWA. It will only cost me 220 AUD dollars to be assessed and there is a chance that I will be granted an OZ license right away and come October, when WA will be part of AHPRA, then the license will be valid anywhere in OZ. If required to take the BP, the eligibility letter from NMBWA is good for three years, and it will be valid to take the BP anywhere in Oz when WA is officially part of AHPRA come October. Cheers

hi antigone, i assume you are also a doctor. being a doctor at the same time is helpful in the sense that it may equip the practioner with better physical assessment skills which in turn is important in nursing . however, it may also disadvantage the person when working as a nurse and because of being an MD, the person might perform things that are essentially good but outside the scope of nursing practice. this has happened not only in australia but also in the USA which resulted to some form of liability and loss of RN license. if you know your scope of practice and operate only within that scope, there will never be a problem. if what you mean is if by being an MD helpful in obtaining an RN license in lieu of nursing experience, i think it is not. when obtaining a license to practise as a nurse, you must meet the essential standards established by ahpra-nmba, MD education is not considered Nursing education and MD work experience is also not considered RN experience. if you are an md, there is also another pathway to work in australia as an md. MDs are in high demand especially in the regional and rural areas. although you still need to meet the essential requirements set by ahpra-mba (medical board of australia). registration details for international MDs can also be accessed through the ahpra website. although there is no restriction in being registered in both professions here in Oz, on the practical side you only need to choose one. whether you choose md or rn pathway, it is still expected to cost you a lot of money. you still need ielts, and pass exams. for md, the first round of exams will cost you more than 2k aud, and the clinical component will cost you more than 4k. if you are smart and have access to australian medical practice principles ( the diseases and treatments are basically the same but the way of doing things really differ), it is possible to pass the exams in just one take. so you are expected to spend approximately 7k. in contrast to BP for OS nurses, the cheapest now is around 10k. if you are a medical specialist already, there is yet another pathway. but that would be another story... good luck

@bekimon i think ahpra is really busy with the transition and just imagine the number of calls from practitioners whose expiry dates are not as expected, certain qualifications no longer there.. etc. if TCN in burwood will accept your NBV. then that should be ok. if they accept tbe nbv letter, many of the people here will be happy because it means that bps are no longer confined to the state where application for registration was made. im wondering though if you have contacted tcn in burwood nsw. and that would also mean that letters from nmbwa will also be accepted in other states.

but as a summary: 1. start by getting registration. read AHPRA website. when registered, apply for work, decide on various pathways- working visa, employer sponsored PR visa, Regional sponsored PR visa etc. then work according to how rich you want to become. 2. self apply or agency: either is OK. depends on your preference, money, willingness to do research 3. this is very interesting. i hope others will explain. I don't know about your specific case. you may or may not need experience to be registered. but to find employment afterwards, if you have loads of experience your chances are high 4. yep. you are right. u already have an idea 5 depends on the work rights of your visa type. some have work restriction, some don't. restriction will be lifted if you are granted another visa that has work rights. it varies in length. earliest is 2weeks for some it may take months. 6. assurance of job? hmmm. let's just say. if you don't get a licence, definitely you will not find a job as a nurse. if you want details, i think you just have to take time reading the entire thread. hope this helps

@rajotolentino hi sir, you are very lucky to have 2 nurses in the family! if you intend to work and/or migrate here, i am sure you will find australia very nice. in order to work here you really need to invest effort, money and time. but i assure you the rewards will be great. this is a very long forum with almost 600 pages. i hope some of the forumers will take time to answer your queries one by one. but while waiting for their response/s, i suggest you do some back-reading of the pages. yes it's really long, even longer than noli me tangere but the information you gather will be worth the time. i myself have read this entire thread from page one to the last page more than three times since 2008. Most of the answers to your questions have already been answered and also by reading the entire thread, you can see the ups and downs, victories and defeats of fellow forumers in their quest to become nurses in australia. i hope you have a good time reading and finding your answers. Good luck and congratulations to you for deciding to give australia a try as it's an awesome country to work and live in. If you are really in a hurry, maybe you can start at page 350. cheers and mabuhay!

sorry should have been: just because you can't work in a hospital setting it doesn't mean you can't perform roles that impact....... it's really curious why different states have different award system for nurses. in WA if you work in aged care you get a minimum ANF level of 1.8,( 1.8 is $33.40 per hour) that's one step closer to ANF level 2 ( clinical specialist) even if you have no experience at all. In QLD, if you have no experience in aged care and you work in that area you will be awarded 1.1. In some private hospitals in WA, some nurses with only 3 to4 years Philippine acute care experience, were awarded level 1.8 right away. depends maybe on how badly the hospital or facility needs your service, but if they can, they will always try to give you the lowest possible legal pay based on Industrial Agreements.