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gotcha!! thanks!!

I know what you are saying. It is true too.

yes, just by the nurse building that client-nurse relationship, the patient will have no problems knowing who the RN is. But, some patients can become a little disoriented, and perhaps the nursing hat settles things real quick. No mistaking there who the nurse is. That hat resembles authority.

CeeKayRN, RN-MN blue and did you day RT-royal? ----NO NO NO----now that is crazy, and no doubt is confusing to some patients,CONFUSING. RT should have been made to wear a totally different color---like maroon.

I want to be a good nurse, not just ordinary

hikernurse, i really liked you little verse on house cleaning. I need to learn to let my house go in that very respect. It is hard to keep a clean house and do nursing assignments. I am going to try this. Clean my house, and stay out of it as much as possible. I am going to go swimming next week.......find things to do that gets me out of the house.

i see what you are saying Leslie, and I agree to an extent. I just hope and pray that it would not be the case that people without a conscious would become nurses, usually people testify to becoming a nurse are people who have that calling to be a nurse, to take care of people, to help people from the goodness of their heart, and those are the ones with the truthness of nursing. Everybody is born with a conscious. The conscious is one piece of patients that comes to surface when we address the on Gordon's Functional Patterns-Spiritual level, and patients do tell you they believe in God, or their God, I am not descriminatory at all-I believe in diversity to the fullest extent-and that area of a patients life is so important to the patient, and they draw all sorts of goodness from that area of their life. People who choose to be mean, and dishonest are SCARED people and UNSURE people; therefore, what a lot of people say is that person has no conscious. Maladaptive individuals appear to have no conscious, but really they do.

yep, i agree with you on the cheating situation 100%. I am taking a Logic class this summer, and a Cultural Studies class, I am hoping to maybe find some answers to a lot of quesitons I have for life in general, and will hopefully find some Logical reason that will educate me on this issue. I had on ethics class, a medical ethics class, and even my nursing assistant class I learned not to fudge patient records, and to avoid being part of involuntarily knowing about such an incident ( reportable incident?), and I know I have an image of being honest and nice to people. I worked with a lot of criminals and juvenile deliquents, and there are a lot of Judges who trust me, I even worked with the FBI and Secret Service, people just cannot simply lie, or withhold the truth, and not report anyone for frauding any humanistic system-period-for any reason. I am too honest, I know, but my parents also reared me to be honest, my mother a PhD in Theology, and my father a PhD in music-and a marine, and a sister who is a nurse-an honest nurse, and a good nurse-and loves to take care of people. I was born to be honest, and will die an honest person. I cannot fix someone elses situation, but I can learn in my heart and my mind, and from the best conclusion as to how I will handle this situation that is on my mind as a freshman nursing student. I am paying a lot of money to be taught to be an honest nurse, for I already have lived an honest life thus far not being a nurse. I know that there are good nurses, and there are bad nurses. Usually, bad people, in my experience, weed themselves out of public positions, learned that in law enforcement, and in other good employment positions I held. Bad nurse, no way can live with themselves, no one can live with themselves if they are dishonest. I am strong :yeah:when it comes to displaying a high standard of living when helping people. I have enjoyed these last six weeks of rest. Nursing is hard enough without an instructors saying that she and another nurse she worked with are hiding something to this day, maybe she is not being honest about that, who knows, but she had a PhD, and it just did not go well with a lot of the students.

I know. I just know that in my training as a police officer we were expected to credible in our reports that were presented to the courts. Yes, I have seen a lot of dishonesty in the nursing profession, but to have a nursing instructor claim that she had part in what she suggested that she and her fellow nurse only know about makes a student wonder about such a nurse. One girl in our group had made a good point. She said that she would not want a C nurse taking care of her, the dishonest nursing student, but the A student that knew herself the confidence of taking excellent care of someone. I do have to agree with the girl in my group. Personally, I see false documentation as a reportable offense. We are taught when we do our nursing documentation we are to tell the truth, and not let someone else document for us. Now, if the nursing instuctor is going to say she and another nurse will always hide something then there was something wrong that they did, otherwise what would someone want to hide the truth? Fasle documentation is a no-no. I do not trust any one enough with my nursing career to know that I documented contrary to the benifit of the patient's well being. I am just to honest in that regard. Just imagine if the doctor found out that a nurse frauded any kind of reporting of the patient. i do not mean to be going on and on about how I feel about the way an instructor is representing herself as a professional in front of impressional freshman nursing students-because the nursing instuctor is good otherwise in her teachings, it is just that I see in my thoughts about how everybody was reacting to her telling this story about herself, and it was like everybody just looked at each other, and really wondered had she went to far in sharing this aspect of her professional career, and one student said, what was it that you are hiding, and she said she would never tell. We all just really looked at each other and though what the heck!!! So, enough of this. I will be honest in my profession, and I will not cover anyone in the wrong doing of any aspect of taking care of a human life. I will only be in favor and participate in doing the right thing right for a patient to the best of my ability. I have worked with many police officers who lost their jobs for being dishonest in their paper work/reports prepared and presented to a court of law. If I am not mistaking, falsifying patient records can be a form of assult on patients, or perhaps neglect. I just think that it is better not to hide things that could potentially hurt a patient, or lose credibility as a nurse.

I really appreciate all the feedback. I do understand that the real world is different than nursing class, but in class is where I will get the preparation. I just wondered either way real world / hospital situation involving a patient-which is what the instructor claimed-or class room setting-cheating students-could lead to incompetent students in the field of nursing-and people could die as a result of-so either way, in a court of law, before a jury, and a Judge, and God above (who seen what happened) the the truth is to be told because I feel that either way it involves a human beings well being. I understand the real world issues, the instructor made it clear to ignore the universities policy of knowing about cheating, and not tell. I also agree, one has to prove it. I would have to then tell that person that cheated off of me, we were no longer friends. I do feel that the person who cheats and the person they are cheating off of did not know it until after the exam becuase the cheating person told them, then I would have to say for me I would not feel obligated to report anything, becuase what the cheater would be saying would have to be proved first of all. That would be the extent of it, that someone told me they cheated from me. If the instructors suspect anything becuase of papers with same answers, and the two were sitting beside each other, then let them conduct a full investigation, more power to them. I was just a concerned that perhaps the instructor gave a poor example of not telling on another nurse, and her situaiton was in the real world, that involved a patient, she never went into detail, but she did not say it was a good situation either, but dear Jesus, if it involved the life and dealth of a patient, God have mercy on her soul. :zzzzz

wow, i know it. let me share something with you. i am a 4 year nursing student. one of the instructors was lecturing on Ethics, and then had the class split into groups and work on a senario of a nurse student who cheated on an exam and her friend who sat by her-the one she cheated from-knew that she cheated, because after the exam the student who cheated mentioned it to her friend-the one she cheated from, and her friend told her that she needed to be honest about it and that it was not her problem, she was not the one that cheated......anyway you get the gest....that if cheating if found out the cheater gets kicked out of the program, and possibly the friend too........so.... some groups said that they would cover their own butt and report the cheater, some said that the honest friend should remain quiet (oh yea one more detail, the friend knew her friend was cheating from her during the exam, but only knew it at a certain time during the exam when she was almost completed) and tell her friend that she has to deal with it one her own, and that she was not going to report her... now....this will blow you away..........the class asked the instructor what would she do....get this......this PhD of nursing said.....personally, I would have not told on her........and in my group we said well it is the Universities policy that both parties are responsible, and if the one being cheated from knows it and does not report it then that student is just as guilty.........get ready for this......the instuctor said, I still would not report it..........really hold on.......then the instructor told about a story where she was working in a hospital, and something happened, but she would not say, she said that there are only two people who know what happened in the hospital where she and another nurse worked..........all the groups just looked at each other and thought what the H***!!!!... we all thought that did she cause someone to die, did she overdose a patient, what the crap did she do???? Now, you are an experienced nurse tell me your thoughts on this. I believe in honesty, and owning up to my mistakes. It is not beyond me to say that Iwas wrong, and face the consequences, everybody has consequences to face, that is fact of life........but now I quesiton this instructor teaching this aspect for years..... is this wrong?

so, this is enough of this. No, I did not say to make it point to expose her-when the opportunity arises, just mention it. Listen, you work with a bunch of bad people. Get out!!! of there!!!!! before you really get blamed for something you did not do, but seen/witnesses or somethink like that. You can find another position. Just shake all this off. Get out as soon as you can. If this means your livelyhood, sounds like these other people are trouble. Move on....

well, listen, it is still not first hand information, you did not witness anything. I suggest that the next time you are in the presence in front of others, including the DON or whomever, and the person with the claims being present, EXPOSE THEM TO EVERY ONE, TELL EVERYBODY IN THEIR PRESENCE TO LISTEN TO WHAT SO AND SO HAS TO HAS, this way the person that told you will have everybody involved, and then everybody will be investigated. But, I am telling you, either ignore it, you are no obligated the person that told you this crap is obligated, and if there is not decent DON, a nurse manager or whoever, then call OMBUDSMAN YOURSELF, is can be an anonymous call!!! You butt is then covered. Go on about your business at work, and stand your grounds with this stupid individual. Make them look like a fool in front of others the best you can, but just act cool until you have your break, to break them. I really think the best thing to do is EXPOSE THEM, they decided to involve you-for whatever reason-just involve them more in the situation to the point that it makes their life and career unbearable.

i agree. No one has a right to obstruct the pathway of another without credible and valid reason, otherwise, that is violating a another's right of freedom of movement. Walk away from third hand information. Just walk away! Let it go. If the person refuses to leave, then it is considered harrassment-trust me, you can bring charges aganist someone for violating your peace. Handle a matter like this in a court of law, let a judge tell the person that is the violator that they will be put in jail if they harass you again. Obstructing someone's freedom of movement-even with third hand (false? lies? of whatever reason) is harassment, and this type of behavior is not permitted in the medical setting, this approach is asking someone to neglect time that should be devoted to a patient or client. Next time, tell the person you are on company time, and are busy with patient care, and if they persists, tell the supervisor, and file civil charges, have the supervisor supboened into court as a witness in your behalf. this is the only way to get rid of bad people in the medical field. People who are patients or clients are there for a reason for competent people to take care of them. Show that bad apple who you really are.

Sounds like she is a person who is unhappy for some reason. Me, I would ask here what was bothering her, usually people like that are constant complainers, complain about everything. Just find your confortable place and spot, stay there, send you older daughter to counseling, don't watch the grandchildren so much, just make sure they have food and are clothed, let the parents raise them, you are to enjoy them, not get worn out over, I could think of so many nursing care plans for that situation,,,,know where I am coming from? HUH? Ok, then. We are nurses to help others to benifit them, but we have to take of ourselves, we have to be that role model, sounds like you need to start a little boss position in your own life. Construct your life to your health benefit, you have to live a long time now, for you family. You are a nurse, take care of youself. I had clinicals at an assisted living facility, and my client was an 83 year old retired RN, she was is great shape, just the obvious aging signs and symptoms, constipation and arthritis etc..... HUH??? know what I mean. Get it together now, one day at a time, make time for yourself.......HUH? I keep a daily log, for classes, to be here and there, to do this and that, carry one with you, let others see that you have a schedule.