weezieRN

DAQUEENGENE, Thank you for caring about your patients and me, you are the first one who has not totally bashed me. I am a good nurse and believe in the same things that you do. I don't make people step out of the room when changing "mother" when they have been taking care of her personal needs for years. Why? If they are comfortable, why make them step out? People need to be there for their families because most times family is all you have. With today's shortages it is good to have families participating in the patient's care. Family involvement usually lends to a better patient outcome. When families are involved in the care of the elderly demented patient and ill children they are usually much more calm and cooperative and recuperate much faster with less complications. DAQUEENGENE ONLY I know you state no one has been allowed into a regular OR but what about outside the door,in an observation room, or even the surgeons scrub room which usually has windows?

CCU NRS Where do you see on my profile that I am a CNA? That is not even a choice under the educational profile. My orginal profile contained my date passing my RN boards which stated "new RN 8/12/03". I have since changed that so no one can criticize me for being a "new" nurse. To everyone who has criticized my spelling, grammar and punctuation, I would not even stoop to that level, that is just down right nasty. EVERYONE makes typographical errors and to tell you the truth on this BB board I see it all the time but do I comment on it, NO. Let's stop acting like children! I thought we were here to support each other and our profession, not to be judgemental towards others. I just asked a simple question of "yes or no" to seeing or allowing people in the OR, did not expect all that followed. So please forgive my comments in my posts, as I feel I had to be defensive, because I felt I was being attacked. I fully understand the reasoning for things related to the OR but I still feel the way I did before. To chris de Lucas, I am not depressed or have anxiety about the surgery, if I have it at all. Need to get a biopsy first. I am one of the most happy-go-lucky people around and of the few people who do not take antidepressants. Norman Bates, come on! Just wanted a question answered. I am not a psychotic person, just have feelings, thoughts and wishes just as we all do. PS, How was my grammar and spelling?

yes i am realistic enough to believe that i am not the only pt as well i know this for a fact but i do expect as everyone to have their basic needs met, pain mangement, toileting, diet and the ability of the nursing staff to be their to care for me, no "special treatment" just good quality nursing care. No matter what all hospitals are their for the pts from administration to nursing to housekeeping we all have a job to do, to provide safe high quality cost effective care to our pts. Bottom line. If it wasn't for nursing shortages we could do the little things for the pts backrubs etc and have time to sit with them to ease their fears and just listen. A lot of people are becoming very disheartended with their jobs and that is only going to increase. We all do our best hopefully to provide care. Please dont be offended by my comments camay you would want the same for yourself or family.

I really hate to tell you when you are a pt in the hospital it should be about ME ME ME, I am paying for your salary (inadvertently) and you are there to do a job and that is to care for ME ME ME, I am not asking you to drop everything to get me a Whopper at Burger king, just to do your job and care for ME the pt physically and emotionally.

I didn't mean what was really stated by saying I didn't want you taking care of me or others what i meant was you need to be a little more understanding and flexible to people's wishes, just one wish, not that of many. Yes, i did ask for your advice and i did most certainly get it but I didn't ask for everything else orginally, just asked if it had ever been approached in your facility or seen it? Didn't expect everyone to feel the same as me but didn't really expect so much criticism of myself and as a professional. This goes far beyond the text book stuff, it goes into what nursing should be "CARING" no flaming intended. Did any of you poster ever want to be in with a family or spouse, child just to allay your fears as well as theirs. To me it is not much to ask if the surgeon approves and DH sits there quietly just holding my hand behind the draping. SX wont take long probably under an hour total baring any complications all will probably be well. To CCU RN, to correct your statement I am a RN never was a CNA(praise the lord for them) graduated May 2003, yes I am new but I have seen alot in the last year. I do a wonderful job caring for my pts as many as 15 at one time on a med/surg/tele/ortho/peds at a small hospital. I am now doing my dream job OB/GYN

Ok i give up, cause i can see that I am not getting anywhere with the posters here and ultimately you don't have any say in anything just your opinions. So to all of you belittlers out there you are exactly the people that shouldn't be taking care of people, you do your job and that is it,which is fine but you don't deal with families or see the end result of your actions. I know you (whomever) will not care about what a patients outcome was post surgery and that is fine, maybe as you guys put I should come to the OR and observe, not that I haven't) but if you can to the regular floor you would see how much or how little family involvement is and what it means to a positive outcome, which is what we all want. Family involvement is encoraged and at times very required. As shazam states about sexual assault that is not likely to happen but I am sure somewhere in hx it probably has and I know what goes on saying about this and that about the person on the table. Some surgeons of cases i have been in on have had no conversations not even whispers just the task at hand. I know how nurses are or can be. Sure i would worry about privacy, but if its a private matter as all hospital visits should be it should be done in private or codes should be used. There are people that hear what is going on with others be it roomate or just passing by the nurses station at times it can't be helped you just hope the person on the other end has good judgement not to repeat what has been said. I recently had outpt testing and they use number to recognize the pt but while in radiology the techs just called out the person's name, what about their privacy? There is room for change in all areas, if people are willing to bend a little. Being a hospital employee dont you think you could get some perks.

I dont know if i should be on here but dont really care after listening to what you have been saying to my wife ifeel i need to be.I dont know who ccu nrs is but your a sick person my wife is most certainly a rn and in the near future will be working on a masters degree im not asking for anything special i love my wife and believe that if anything is to happen the one person on the face of the earth that should be there is me and i want her with me if i am in the same position. listening to half of you i wouldn't want you taking care of me because there's no caring just another piece of meat on the table. history was full of change and i believe your all afraid of it im sorry im stepping on your toes but in my marriage vows it said to have and to hold until death due us part, not until hospital administration steps in. I know you still dont understand and im not going to waste anymore time trying we love each other thats the bottum line and i wish you would stop bashing her for it. sorry for all the errors i dont wright much. thanks glenn

yes i certainly understand the whole bit about the sterile field and infection control but you cant tell me that a lot of infections don't stem from the OR. With the rise of infections in hospital which a good portion being nonsocomial, so what if any likliehood would there be that much more of and infection rate just my hubby being there, i have lived with him for 13 yrs i cetainly know he is not harbering any organisms or infections

ccu rn you have hit the nail on the head when talking about what would happen should anyone pass away in the OR everything is after the fact...... not during minutes of the incidence maybe not even hours after the fact. Do you honestly feel or think it would be better to have a stranger or the dr come out and say "Sorry but your wife suffered an unfortunate complication during surgery and has passed away, sorry" I have been reading alot about trauma pts in the er and more feelings of closure for families if they were there to witness attempts to save their loved one. I am not being defensive about what i am saying but i am just as passionate about what i think and feel as do you posters. I am familiar with the OR certainly not for everybody as is anywhere else, and no i am not comparing myself to a deer but blood and gore does not bother my husband he would even set at the head of the bed behind the draping and if necessary outside looking in the window just observing. He is willing to sign release to the hospital against any possible litigation or responsiblity the hospital or surgeon may have etc on his behalf. Why couldn't depending on how different OR are set up, why couldnt he stand in the observation rooms, or the scrub room since they usually have windows etc. Wouldn't anyone want to be with their family in times of need?

I'm sorry you can't understand why things are as they are. Maybe you could spend the day in the OR with another nurse and then maybe you'll understand why the rules are why they are. Also, I really think you need to understand that you aren't going to die on the OR table so there is no reason for him to be there. You are going to do just fine if they decide they need to operate. orrnlori, I do understand the way things are in the OR that is why I am making such a bold statement, there is room for family if they are calm cool and collected, yes sure there is a time and place for everything and I think this is the time and place, Are you GOD, no i dare say not! I have known of some cases of general surgeries like lap chole's get extremely hairy with unknown cardiac arrythmias or just even that that occurs within the first minutes of anesthesia as you i am sure can well attest. NO offense but why such a chip on your shoulder, husbands are allowed in with the delivery of a csection, do you think that is not major surgery? NOT. This is just like anywhere else in the hospital setting, if you are disorderly, can not take the stress or get ill at the site of blood or needles you shouldnt be there, but what is the harm setting at the head of the bed or in the corner somewhere just to be close by. I am sure if asked or with papers from a lawyer they would allow you in or it is something to say for the hospital and its staff. My husband is willing to sign any paper imagineable. I think it is true love and devotion to be at the side of your spouse praying in their time of need

thanks for the replies and i know everyone has a job to do etc and don't want the added trouble of someone else in the room but he is not the least bit squeamish, watched all my births, guts deer etc. Do people not have a heart out there...... What is the difference if someone passes away on a med/surg unit than in the OR don't you want family to be there instead of strangers, but i guess that doesn't matter because the pt won't be any of the wiser and that is my point exactly. Isn't this a "consumer oriented " industry now do what the families want to make the surveys and scores good. Why would anyone have a problem with it, if something should happen not saying it will to have someone sitting their quietly just observing. Do pts have consent forms signed for students to be in the room during a surgery, i think not, what is the difference. Just my opinions

My husband and I have been having this discussion since my DR recently found a nodule on my thyroid. What do you think or what would DR's think of a spouse requesting to be in the operating room during a surgery? Do you think it is possible, have you ever had anyone request this. I know it is probably something that people just don't address with their DR's but my husband is adament about this stuff, not wanting if something should happen for me to be alone with strangers if i should pass away. Your thoughts and ideas will be greatly appreciated.

graduated first part of May took my NCLEX in August passed the first time :balloons:

I apologize, must not have read the entire heading or location of posting, can you retract your vote from the poll? Will gladly do so so you can have and accurate number for your poll. Good Luck job hunting or negotiating.

I think you should have lowered your numbers a little, or you must be dreaming that the average nurse working 45 hrs or less is making 100,000 should have started out at less than 50,000.