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Non narcotic

Audit happens at work, did a refill but to pull inhaler and nausea med for self use . Should I own up to it at meeting? Regardless I know it's reportable to BON just didn't know how to approach work, or should I resign before meeting? 

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Wait a minute here. Do they suspect that you're the one who did it? Why is this audit happening? Firstly, do not admit to anything. I'm not saying what you did was right, but I am not sure if you read some of the stories here where some of us got caught diverting CONTROLLED substances and now are pretty much in court probation but with the board of nursing. What you did was absolutely wrong, but why would you create problems for yourself because of something not as serious as diverting narcotics. I know of many nurses taking Tylenol, Advil, nausea meds, bowel meds, and lidocaine patches from the dispenser like it was no problem even though it is technically considered theft. Nothing happened, because I guess it's common and they are not hawking it. But you're telling me that you took an inhaler and nausea meds and want to self report? Unless there is something you're not telling us, please do not report it. I am not encouraging you to keep doing it, and please don't ever do it again. But, save yourself the trouble. Unless they have solid proof that you did it, like camera footage, but just the fact that it was pulled under your name and it could be some proof does not mean that they can prove it all the way. 

You have to be on drugs, insane, not very smart, or have some weird OCD issues to report an inhaler and a nausea drug. Now obviously, I know you are none of the above and you simply do not know and are just worried and want to dot your I's and cross your t's. I get it, but for the love of GOD, do NOT report that. If you do, here is what will happen.

You end up likely reported to the BON. They send you for a 2000 dollar SUD eval because they will say, if you diverted an inhaler, you probably might divert narcs, so "we have to be sure." Those SUD evals are corrupt and the SUD eval places work closely with the BON and they dig through everything. That means, they will find something as simple as anxiety or depression or something non drug related and you end up in monitoring for a year or 2 or 3 and check in daily, have to have permission to travel outside of your state, likely have reprimand letter from state BON and go under consent order. One slip in the monitoring program and you get extended to 5 years of monitoring. Also, 3 recovery meetings weekly, more discipline, supervision at work, reports from employers quarterly to the monitoring program or BON, reports from your primary care doc sent monthly or quarterly with your meds to the BON. See how this spirals quickly? One report sent late? License suspended.

Do not do stupid things and pull inhakers from the pixis for personal use. You made a mistake. Don't repeat it. Move on. For the love of GOD, absolutely Do NOT report this to the BON!. By the way, if you report it to your work, guess what they will do? Within 1 days, they will comb through every narcotics pull you have had and match that up with your charts. Its not hard to do. Takes them 1 hour at most using MetaData and pixis tracking techniques in accordance with your charting system. If they find one tiny thing, the whole can of worms open and your life changes forever. Do not report. Chalk this up to a mistake made. P.S. if you report this to work, get ready for at least a urine drug screen on the spot and likely a hair test. Smoke any weed or Delta 8 taken in the last 3 months? They got you!.

Do not report this to anyone. Do not do it again.

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RNigothis said:

Wait a minute here. Do they suspect that you're the one who did it? Why is this audit happening? Firstly, do not admit to anything. I'm not saying what you did was right, but I am not sure if you read some of the stories here where some of us got caught diverting CONTROLLED substances and now are pretty much in court probation but with the board of nursing. What you did was absolutely wrong, but why would you create problems for yourself because of something not as serious as diverting narcotics. I know of many nurses taking Tylenol, Advil, nausea meds, bowel meds, and lidocaine patches from the dispenser like it was no problem even though it is technically considered theft. Nothing happened, because I guess it's common and they are not hawking it. But you're telling me that you took an inhaler and nausea meds and want to self report? Unless there is something you're not telling us, please do not report it. I am not encouraging you to keep doing it, and please don't ever do it again. But, save yourself the trouble. Unless they have solid proof that you did it, like camera footage, but just the fact that it was pulled under your name and it could be some proof does not mean that they can prove it all the way. 

It's because of the audit of pulling meds and not linking to patient I was seen doing it so yes camera footage. They

Nonnursey said:

It's because of the audit of pulling meds and not linking to patient I was seen doing it so yes camera footage. They

Did you have any patients on nausea meds and inhalers that day? Also, did you do an override pull? 

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RNigothis said:

Did you have any patients on nausea meds and inhalers that day? Also, did you do an override pull? 

It was an override pull and I'm sure I did but can't pinpoint it to a patient as it was towards end of shift and I hadn't went back in a room. 

OK, no offense, but you need some kind of help. Why on earth would you do an override pull for a patient with no order for the medication on camera? Its as if there is some unconscious or subconscious desire to self destruct. Anyway, do not self report to the BON. You have to self report for Narcs. You don't have to self report for non narcs and neither does your employer. They might fire you at work, buts its not a reportable offense. If asked, tell them you were nauseated and that you needed the meda I guess. 

I would just say "I don't remember" and apologize. I personally would never self report anything. A girl got caught taking Tylenol at my last job and they fired her. 

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Regalnurse said:

OK, no offense, but you need some kind of help. Why on earth would you do an override pull for a patient with no order for the medication on camera? Its as if there is some unconscious or subconscious desire to self destruct. Anyway, do not self report to the BON. You have to self report for Narcs. You don't have to self report for non narcs and neither does your employer. They might fire you at work, buts its not a reportable offense. If asked, tell them you were nauseated and that you needed the meda I guess. 

Ya it was stupid and. I didn't pull under a pt just like an override pull like restock. But they said it's reportable and recommended self reporting. Soooo I'm assuming they're going to report

Nonnursey said:

Ya it was stupid and. I didn't pull under a pt just like an override pull like restock. But they said it's reportable and recommended self reporting. Soooo I'm assuming they're going to report

Its not about what "They Said." Its about what the laws and regulations are. Non Narcotics are NOT required to report and you should NOT report it or self report or enter a monitoring program. "THEY" are lying to you and "THEY" are trying to scare you..

I was thinking here. Non narcotics are not reportable to the board, but it is still considered theft. This has nothing related to medications, but I've read on the news of a travel nurse being suspended for clocking in while being called off numerous times. I wouldn't self report to the board and let them do their investigation. I also wouldn't admit anything to my employer, but you can still be reported for that. 

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RNigothis said:

I was thinking here. Non narcotics are not reportable to the board, but it is still considered theft. This has nothing related to medications, but I've read on the news of a travel nurse being suspended for clocking in while being called off numerous times. I wouldn't self report to the board and let them do their investigation. I also wouldn't admit anything to my employer, but you can still be reported for that. 

Yea I'm assuming it'll be reported as theft, but when they termed me they were saying they were going to send policies and one was on diversion and I guess when you think of diversion you think of narcotics and it wasn't so that scared me 

Regalnurse said:

Its not about what "They Said." Its about what the laws and regulations are. Non Narcotics are NOT required to report and you should NOT report it or self report or enter a monitoring program. "THEY" are lying to you and "THEY" are trying to scare you..

Yea I'm assuming it'll be reported as theft, but when they termed me they were saying they were going to send policies and one was on diversion and I guess when you think of diversion you think of narcotics and it wasn't so that scared me. 
thank you for talking with me through all of this. 

Taking a non controlled substance is not a felony. Taking or diverting a non controlled substance is a misdemeanor if its a first tome offense for 1 or 2 pills or doong it 1 or 2 times. If charged criminally, it would be charged as theft or obtaining a prescribed Non controlled substance by fraud-a misdemeanor for a first time offense of a NON Controlled substance. Diversion of Narcotics are Felonies. I would absolutely NOT self report or enter into monitoring. I would get an attorney. I would avoid letting the BON go down the road of "substance abuse." By self reporting, you open that door wide open. 

I would choose a lawyer and fighting a misdemeanor charge (you will not be charged-no chance) but if charged and convicted of a misdemeanor, you get a fine, do 30 or 40 hours community service, and a public letter of reprimand by the BON and you carry on and keep working. 

I would take the above scenario all day long over entering and being committed to a 5 year monitoring program. The monitoring programs are brutal and your life is difficult for 5 years. 

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