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why are hospitals adding more and mor nursing managers and directoors adding more and more layers, if they just had one good manager who could do the work? and whats the need for a bed coordinator?

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i agree but don't understand why people think supervisor are not managers

I would just do it on a relief basis, for sick calls and vacations. My primary job is at the time was a charge nurse/floor staff nurse. That's why I say I've never been in management. We have house supervisors only for 3-11 and 11-7 and utilize them as llg does. They aren't really involved in the intimate details of the day to day operations of the units, and don't do the things that managers and directors do. They don't go to manager's meetings, etc.

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I would just do it on a relief basis, for sick calls and vacations. My primary job is at the time was a charge nurse/floor staff nurse. That's why I say I've never been in management. We have house supervisors only for 3-11 and 11-7 and utilize them as llg does. They aren't really involved in the intimate details of the day to day operations of the units, and don't do the things that managers and directors do. They don't go to manager's meetings, etc.

Our supervisors do go to management meetings, do sit on committees, do participate in disciplinary actions and yearly evalauation, and do si in on interviews. we are involved in the intimate details of all the units and our supervisors have much more experience in management thatn the day managers. Most of our supervisors are masters prepared where the day managers are not. In fact there are some who dont even have an associates degree.

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Our supervisors do go to management meetings, do sit on committees, do participate in disciplinary actions and yearly evalauation, and do si in on interviews. we are involved in the intimate details of all the units and our supervisors have much more experience in management thatn the day managers. Most of our supervisors are masters prepared where the day managers are not. In fact there are some who dont even have an associates degree.

OK ... so maybe in your hospitals the supervisers have more of a management role than in most places. As you say, different hospitals do things a little differently.

However, notice the words you use to describe the management functions in the post above. Your supervisors "go to" the meetings and "sit on" committees, but they are not in charge of functins those activities control. They "participate" in disciplanary actions and "sit in" on interviews. So do a lot of people (e.g. educators) -- but that doesn't make them managers. Participating in something is very different than being the one responsible for it.

Also, educational level has nothing to do with it.

Either a person has budgetary control, hiring/firing control, etc. or they don't.

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