i'm a lil bit worried that one day, we'll not be able to have a medical diagnosis on the chart and all but a nursing diagnosis for a fact that even doctors are taking up our course. what can u say about that? that it gives u any thought, same as i do? i'm really worried about our people.. other doctors are entering into our profession to gain profit and never mind their years of studying to gain more and more and more and more.....

i'm a lil bit worried that one day, we'll not be able to have a medical diagnosis on the chart and all but a nursing diagnosis for a fact that even doctors are taking up our course. what can u say about that? that it gives u any thought, same as i do? i'm really worried about our people.. other doctors are entering into our profession to gain profit and never mind their years of studying to gain more and more and more and more.....

I'm not sure that I am following what you are trying to say. I personally don't know any doctors that switched over to nursing. I can't see why doctors would take up nursing for profit because I'm sure their salary is much higher than what a nurse makes.

I'm sure that yousev is referring to the growing number of physicians in other (economically depressed) countries who are pursuing US nursing licensure because they can make much more as a nurse here than they can as a physician in their own countries (and they can't get licensed here as a physician). I'm not aware of any US-licensed MDs who are choosing to become nurses ...

I don't think that will have any real effect on the role of the physician here as "director" of the healthcare team or the central importance of the medical diagnosis.

I'm sure that yousev is referring to the growing number of physicians in other (economically depressed) countries who are pursuing US nursing licensure because they can make much more as a nurse here than they can as a physician in their own countries (and they can't get licensed here as a physician). I'm not aware of any US-licensed MDs who are choosing to become nurses ...

I don't think that will have any real effect on the role of the physician here as "director" of the healthcare team or the central importance of the medical diagnosis.

That's interesting. I've never heard of foreign doctors coming to the US to be nurses either. I guess it makes sense though if they can't be US doctors. It would be interesting to know how that works. Ah well...learn something new every day and all that. :)

I'm sure that yousev is referring to the growing number of physicians in other (economically depressed) countries who are pursuing US nursing licensure because they can make much more as a nurse here than they can as a physician in their own countries (and they can't get licensed here as a physician). I'm not aware of any US-licensed MDs who are choosing to become nurses ...

I don't think that will have any real effect on the role of the physician here as "director" of the healthcare team or the central importance of the medical diagnosis.

That's interesting. I've never heard of foreign doctors coming to the US to be nurses either. I guess it makes sense though if they can't be US doctors. It would be interesting to know how that works. Ah well...learn something new every day and all that. :)

Froggylegs,

There are actually several programs in Florida for foreign-trained physicians to become RNs. They have to take the same classes and sit for the NCLEX exam just like any other nurse. You also have to take into consideration that being a physician in many countries is quite similar to being a nurse in the US. Simple example, over here in Thailand, it is the physician that writes the assessment on the patient everyday, not the nurse.

Many nurses over here are Master degree prepared, so they have gone to school for the same amount of time as the physicians here.

In the Philippines, as well as other countries over, the salaries for physicians are quite low. A doctor can actually make much more money as a nurse in the US, approximately three times the amount. What would you do if you were in the same place as them and had a family to provide for. Doctors in many other countries do not live like the doctors do in the US.

Hope that this helps explain some things for you. :balloons:

Froggylegs,

There are actually several programs in Florida for foreign-trained physicians to become RNs. They have to take the same classes and sit for the NCLEX exam just like any other nurse. You also have to take into consideration that being a physician in many countries is quite similar to being a nurse in the US. Simple example, over here in Thailand, it is the physician that writes the assessment on the patient everyday, not the nurse.

Many nurses over here are Master degree prepared, so they have gone to school for the same amount of time as the physicians here.

In the Philippines, as well as other countries over, the salaries for physicians are quite low. A doctor can actually make much more money as a nurse in the US, approximately three times the amount. What would you do if you were in the same place as them and had a family to provide for. Doctors in many other countries do not live like the doctors do in the US.

Hope that this helps explain some things for you. :balloons:

QOUTE

I'm sure that yousev is referring to the growing number of physicians in other (economically depressed) countries who are pursuing US nursing licensure because they can make much more as a nurse here than they can as a physician in their own countries (and they can't get licensed here as a physician). I'm not aware of any US-licensed MDs who are choosing to become nurses ...

Yup! elkpark got it! i'm referring to those MDs rendering their services in other economically depressed countries, particularly the Philippines. i have much to say this time around. MDs in the Philippines were only allowed to study NUrsing for only 2 years.. MD-BSN is what they called it. and they were about approximately 100-300 MDs graduating every year in any nursing schools in the Philippines. and those regular BSN students were neglected due to lack of clinical instructors because of supervising or should i say giving much importance to those MDs rather than those regular BSN students... for a fact that those MDs are paying much of their tuition fees compared to the regular BSN students. to tell u, last december board exam an MD made it as a board topnotcher. and the Philippine Nurses Association got dismayed because most on the list of that december board were filled-in by those MDs and only a few BSN grad made it... and so the Board of NUrsing made the board exam difficult for those MDs and those poor newly grad BSn had no choice but to take that exam even how hard it is and that is all because those MDs... and i pity those BSN students who are now neglected because of those MDs who are entering into our field.. i pity them dearly.. why? because i am one of them.. i am one who had experienced being neglected by our C.I's because of them.. but thanks to them for without those people... we will not be able to learn to depend on ourselves.. that we can do nursing procedures without their supervision... thanks to those staff nurses in different hospitals for helping us do things which those C.Is cannot provide to us. luckily, i am already graduated.

QOUTE

I'm sure that yousev is referring to the growing number of physicians in other (economically depressed) countries who are pursuing US nursing licensure because they can make much more as a nurse here than they can as a physician in their own countries (and they can't get licensed here as a physician). I'm not aware of any US-licensed MDs who are choosing to become nurses ...

Yup! elkpark got it! i'm referring to those MDs rendering their services in other economically depressed countries, particularly the Philippines. i have much to say this time around. MDs in the Philippines were only allowed to study NUrsing for only 2 years.. MD-BSN is what they called it. and they were about approximately 100-300 MDs graduating every year in any nursing schools in the Philippines. and those regular BSN students were neglected due to lack of clinical instructors because of supervising or should i say giving much importance to those MDs rather than those regular BSN students... for a fact that those MDs are paying much of their tuition fees compared to the regular BSN students. to tell u, last december board exam an MD made it as a board topnotcher. and the Philippine Nurses Association got dismayed because most on the list of that december board were filled-in by those MDs and only a few BSN grad made it... and so the Board of NUrsing made the board exam difficult for those MDs and those poor newly grad BSn had no choice but to take that exam even how hard it is and that is all because those MDs... and i pity those BSN students who are now neglected because of those MDs who are entering into our field.. i pity them dearly.. why? because i am one of them.. i am one who had experienced being neglected by our C.I's because of them.. but thanks to them for without those people... we will not be able to learn to depend on ourselves.. that we can do nursing procedures without their supervision... thanks to those staff nurses in different hospitals for helping us do things which those C.Is cannot provide to us. luckily, i am already graduated.

For Ma'am Suzanne,

What would i do if i'm like them? i'd rather do my stuff as a doctor than competing with the new BSN graduates. u might be thinking that i'm saying this because i'm one of those newly graduates hoping to find a better pose in this world but even perhaps i'm not in my position to think about that.. i'd probably say what i've said and is saying right now...though man is free to choose whatever road they want to take, i don't think it's clean and proper to jump over into the other if you're taste wasn't been satisfied with what u have... how can a doctor cure his patients if he doesn't have a passion for his job (that he was there because of money not because of the kind of service u ought to do)? how can an architect do well his job constructing a design for a building if he himself doesn't know really the road he's heading for? how could u entrust a case to a lawyer who cannot even think that he could defend the oppressed even without money involving to it (call it a charity)? what i'm saying here is that, everybody had a choice of entering into something pleasent for survival and i'm not taking that right away from those MDs... but i think it's obvious that they're more self-centered than anything else... simply for thinking more of themselves than those people who needed them most. who would take care of those people, left in the hands of a quak doctors? how could an MD be a caring nurse to a foreign land who had left his burdened patients in his country?

For Ma'am Suzanne,

What would i do if i'm like them? i'd rather do my stuff as a doctor than competing with the new BSN graduates. u might be thinking that i'm saying this because i'm one of those newly graduates hoping to find a better pose in this world but even perhaps i'm not in my position to think about that.. i'd probably say what i've said and is saying right now...though man is free to choose whatever road they want to take, i don't think it's clean and proper to jump over into the other if you're taste wasn't been satisfied with what u have... how can a doctor cure his patients if he doesn't have a passion for his job (that he was there because of money not because of the kind of service u ought to do)? how can an architect do well his job constructing a design for a building if he himself doesn't know really the road he's heading for? how could u entrust a case to a lawyer who cannot even think that he could defend the oppressed even without money involving to it (call it a charity)? what i'm saying here is that, everybody had a choice of entering into something pleasent for survival and i'm not taking that right away from those MDs... but i think it's obvious that they're more self-centered than anything else... simply for thinking more of themselves than those people who needed them most. who would take care of those people, left in the hands of a quak doctors? how could an MD be a caring nurse to a foreign land who had left his burdened patients in his country?

But then what are you saying about all of the nurses from the Philippines who are leaving to go to work in the US, Australia, or Europe...............Is it not the for the same premise, to take care of themselves better? I have been a nurse in the US for over 25 years and now live over here in Thailand trying to make a change for the better with the healthcare system, slowly, one day at a time.

People need to be able to make a choice as to what they want to do......

and yes, I am in contact with physicians in the Philippines who are in the process of making the change. Also, take into consideration that if a physician is lucky enough to get a residency in the US, he/she must return to their home country for a minimum of two years after, before being allowed to return to the US. This is waived only for special cases. And then they have to go through the USMLE exams before even being considered to be able to return. However, as a nurse, you are granted a green card, permanent residency, almost as soon as you complete the appropriate exams including English. There will always be nurses that want to go to medical school and change to other professions, why can't physicians? Everyone shoud have a choice.................perhaps governments will make it better for their doctors to stay. Look at the work hours that many physicians are working where you are? I personally could not work as a nurse here in Thailand, they actually get scheduled for all three shifts in each week, at the whim of the manager, and it is considered normal, the way that it has always been done. I would like to change that also, but things move slowly. I have been out in the real world for much longer than you....................wait until after you are working for awhile.............................I think that you will look at things differently.

:balloons:

But then what are you saying about all of the nurses from the Philippines who are leaving to go to work in the US, Australia, or Europe...............Is it not the for the same premise, to take care of themselves better? I have been a nurse in the US for over 25 years and now live over here in Thailand trying to make a change for the better with the healthcare system, slowly, one day at a time.

People need to be able to make a choice as to what they want to do......

and yes, I am in contact with physicians in the Philippines who are in the process of making the change. Also, take into consideration that if a physician is lucky enough to get a residency in the US, he/she must return to their home country for a minimum of two years after, before being allowed to return to the US. This is waived only for special cases. And then they have to go through the USMLE exams before even being considered to be able to return. However, as a nurse, you are granted a green card, permanent residency, almost as soon as you complete the appropriate exams including English. There will always be nurses that want to go to medical school and change to other professions, why can't physicians? Everyone shoud have a choice.................perhaps governments will make it better for their doctors to stay. Look at the work hours that many physicians are working where you are? I personally could not work as a nurse here in Thailand, they actually get scheduled for all three shifts in each week, at the whim of the manager, and it is considered normal, the way that it has always been done. I would like to change that also, but things move slowly. I have been out in the real world for much longer than you....................wait until after you are working for awhile.............................I think that you will look at things differently.

:balloons: