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Excellent input! Most of all I can see that I'm not the only one that thinks it's a little contrived. It was just as I was thinking that the only skill that I seem to be building is critical thinking,although I agree strongly that that's an important skill. There is actually an course called College Algebra at my junior college.Assumptions are just wishful thinking dressed up with logic so I will ask a counselor.I'm in an course called Pre Algebra now but I cannot imagine the horror if this is actually just "basics". I can't imagine that I will use something as banal as factoring of quadratic polynomials,but yes,i agree that it builds on other intangible qualities that seem to contribute to logical assesment. On the subject of gramatica.I use an Websters Dictionary and Thesaurus when making any communication where my words are the only indicator of intelligence.They also make an notebook guide to punctuation. As you can see by some of the spelling on this board,it is in great need.Quite obviously it takes an level of intelligence beyond the representation of these fundamental errors,however it makes them appear ignorant. Please keep the comments flowing! Thank you.

Since you are only as strong as your weakest link,I would like to know if you use algebra in your daily routine.If you do use it, then to what degree and how is it applied? I know how to do the operations for a test but I do not "know" what the hell I'm doing and it is soon forgotten. If this is just prerequisite minutiae then what type of math operations are essential. This is my weakest subject and since only a 3 credit college level math course is required I want to make it count. Any suggestions?

I work at an retail store called General Nutrition Center and average between $12 and $14 an hour working part time(about 25hrs a week.)Yesterday for a seven hour shift I made $188.16. Bonus is paid on some items and none on others so you just learn how these supplements work and what your customers motivations are and help people to get what they need while advising them on what is crap. There are also reference guides handy for you to go to for instant information.The training, however, is woefully inadequate but you are a bit more advanced than the usual clerk and you will quickly make connections between what you've already learned in your prerequsite courses about basic concepts like ATP,protien,carbs,...ETC Only sell what you know and your customers will have reason to trust you and buy from you. There have also been times when I've advised customers to see an MD,or prevented them from taking an herb that was contraindicated for one of the medications they are taking. Herbal supplementation is prevalent in our society.Unfortunately,in general the people that take them are ignorant of their containdications and actions and are to lazy or have their eyes glazed over with hype advertising.So you help fill the gap and make a good fist of dollars doing it while actually doing some good. As a caregiver that will likely have the most contact and be sought for the most advice on this subject you would be learning about dietary supplements(free training) while earning money for school. By the way,the base is $5.16-$6.88 an hour in my region,but as you can see from what I made on sunday an hourly wage is just a moot point and really is not an indicator of wages at all. My email is in my profile.Feel free to contact me if need be.

5 mil a year!OH MYY GAWD! Hey,they don't have a bridge program in place for CEO do they!!!!!LMAO!

As long as it's not "fluff" then the more science the better. I was reading a book by Echo Heron called Critical Care.I think she went through school in the seventies.She also went through one year of prerequisites and a two year RN.Her first job was for $5.85hr!On noc shift no less.Oh MY GAWWD! I'm getting ready to go through one year of prerequisites to enter an ADN program.I'm even going to look at adding some classes to get ready to apply to one of the BSN programs after. I've gone through a program for respiratory therapy that had no prerequisites and was mostly fluff about ten years ago.I think there is a need for a foundation of science before school.When you're trying to understand disease processes,normal/abnormal lab values,contraindicated therapies and drugs...etc,You will be a complete practitioner of diagnostic and theraputic foresight. Whatever nursing program you attend,you will find it difficult to actually absorb this scientific base while simultaneously applying it to mastering the art of nursing. I feel very passionate(can ya tell?)about this and feel that any program that would require truly practical prerequisites,must care about what kind of students they produce. My advice is to not only do it,but excel at it as well.

It is exactly that.An assembly line of cash flow.Your patients are no more than a widget that needs processing.The more widgets they can process,the more money they can make. If the same corporation that ultimately decides how many patients(widgets)can be processed by the lowest common denominator,wages and personnel per procedure actually produced our inanimate widget,they would be subject to the Fair Labor and Standards Act that would protect the widget workers from mandatory overtime,unsafe work enviroments and staffing policies. The widgets have a law(s) that protects them indirectly by enforcing ethical standards of care for them. Thank God for whatever skills you brought to the care of your patients and your compassion in performing the difficult workload in the best interest of your patients. God bless you.

No offense intended,however, it would be prudent to use a dictionary when you are communicating anything in print. I'm sorry to be critical but,I think in this case it would be to your advantage and it would improve the way your professional conduct is percieved,when all anyone can see is your written word. I for one will be involved in any group that promotes my profession.The only exception to that would be if I thought an action would be detrimental to our image. I think an civilization is delineated by its laws.The limits of it's moral turpitude are defined in,and by, its laws. I think that you would agree the way in which the corporations that profit from the misery of your neglected patients with understaffing of caregivers and the treatmeant of nursing as an old nag you ride till it croaks,would be considered imoral since it is in the name of profit. If that is true then our patients,which are our profession, can only be served well if there is a law enacted that would draw the waterline and say "this is moral sealevel,we will sink no further" Until we make that happen our inaction is perceived as our agreement and the moral equivalent to the inaction of the corporations to change.That's why I support legislation,because there is a moral consequence and the duty is clearly ours. What do you think? Note:no thesauruses were harmed in the making of this post.

Sounds like MDs would rather that PAs wear orange jumpsuits!ha.ha. I think that autonomy is important to my own mental health in this case.I can always consult a physiscian if need be.It's never difficult to get an opinion out of an MD. That's just the insight I need to start forming an opinion myself. Thank you.

Wow Kona2 thanks for that website referral! I was just looking for some source for scientific publications and software that is focused on medicine. the information about Advanced Practitioners is also very thorough. Gerontological Nurse Practitioner. I think that's what I want. After having viewed a similar site for PA's it seems NP's develop a deeper understanding of the whole scope of patient needs over several years of actual patient contact.The academic requirements of NP's also seem more practical(ADN-RN/earn a paycheck)since it can be done part time if need be in the premasters level(BSN/still earning a paycheck)while getting all that "real life" patient contact. NP training appears more holistic in it's foundation and that's the way I think. Besides, nurses are the true caregivers on a moment to moment basis and every nuance of the patients progress from the ER to discharge is observed and recorded. I'm not sure what the curriculum of a PA program consists of but it seems that they are trained to think the way MD's do and whith the exception of a few I have known I don't think thats me. Thank you so much for your effort on my behalf. I appreciate it.

Thank you for your replies.It's excellent to get the input from the "real World".

As a former respiratory therapist I agree with the posters that mentioned bronchospasm reactions to perfumes and nausea related to same,but, i would like to take this discussion to one more conclusion based on observation of the chronic smoker. If someone whom has smoked for thirty years smells it on your clothes they will actually CRAVE IT! Gross,I know,but true. Excellent topic, and certainly worthy of consideration as policy in any setting.

Just need to know how you percieve the career success(income potential,autonomy,RESPECT OF PEERS) of Nurse Practitioners vs. Physician Assistants. Certainly some of you know people in both areas. Physician Assistant programs will accept you after two years of related training(ADN). I had not planned on this until I came across thier job description and pay scale and compared them simarily to Practitioners. I have to plan for this financially and academicaly before I start my nursing program and would appreciate a little help from those of you in the "real world" where the fantasy that a recruiter of a program would want you to believe is separated by the realities of day to day patient care. Thank you.

I am currently considering either option as an end goal. I'm a 39y/o and see autonomic and financial rewards in both professions as well as a viable time frame. I need to shape my prerequesites and add classes to my ADN as I see it to make me more competetive for either program over other canidates. How well established is either practice REALLY.If I go only to thier governing boards for information that really won't give me the true picture. I'm interested mainly in scope of practice and autonomy and making an impact to the patient directly. I want to hear from any of you regardless of your academic backrounds.What I am looking for is YOUR perception of what the two fields seperately contribute to the patient,if you percieve thier autonomy as merely the "clean-up crew" for the MD's or that they directly contribute because of thier skills. I was in another field a few years ago that was touted as being collaborative with other disciplines and highly skilled as well as somwhat independent.The independent part was sure right.As a group we were pretty much collectively dissmissed and expected only to do certain functions.We were directed by pretty much every group in being called upon to perform basic tasks by Nursing,Physiscians,x-ray,lab,and of course none of those tasks were anything they could have not done more efficiently and in less time than my frazzeld schedule would have allowed,it's just that these duties were sooooo meanial and never ending.Not that I didn't have my shining moments(to the patients benefit,not mine)I just don't want to train for years to take another job title like Invisible Man. All input will be appreciated.

I am currently considering either option as an end goal. I'm a 39y/o and see autonomic and financial rewards in both professions as well as a viable time frame. I need to shape my prerequesites and add classes to my ADN as I see it to make me more competetive for either program over other canidates. How well established is either practice REALLY.If I go only to thier governing boards for information that really won't give me the true picture. I'm interested mainly in scope of practice and autonomy and making an impact to the patient directly. I want to hear from any of you regardless of your academic backrounds.What I am looking for is YOUR perception of what the two fields seperately contribute to the patient,if you percieve thier autonomy as merely the "clean-up crew" for the MD's or that they directly contribute because of thier skills. I was in another field a few years ago that was touted as being collaborative with other disciplines and highly skilled as well as somwhat independent.The independent part was sure right.As a group we were pretty much collectively dissmissed and expected only to do certain functions.We were directed by pretty much every group in being called upon to perform basic tasks by Nursing,Physiscians,x-ray,lab,and of course none of those tasks were anything they could have not done more efficiently and in less time than my frazzeld schedule would have allowed,it's just that these duties were sooooo meanial and never ending.Not that I didn't have my shining moments(to the patients benefit,not mine)I just don't want to train for years to take another job title like Invisible Man. All input will be appreciated.

Thanks, It is obviouse from the two posts,since you were so kind to make sure the other viewpoint was posted along with yours,which group would ask for my input as a member while passionately and cohesively striving for what was believed to be in the best interest of the nursing profession itself. I'm a student and I believe that I have a hell of allot to learn about what I even want from the career, let alone what the Profession needs,however,after reading the sense of commitment and pain in that nurses post.I believe that if I am not doing my due diligence for the honor of those that took that abuse before me, then I am only contributing to it and encouraging such disrepair. Nursing is a nation,not a state. I'm a new citizen and I'm going to go find out what my "civic duties" are right now. I suggest the rest of you that haven't given it a thought should do the same. I would also suggest that both of these nurses have thier viewpoints and no matter whom may lack "the social skills" one is simply more difficult to interpret than the other.They both are expressing needs,in thier way. If we are going to succed as a profession our anger must be rightious not hurtful,our focus passionate and unrelenting. In doing so it will be our resolve together. Thank you so much for what you have done before me. As promised,I'm going to go find out right now if there is anything I could be doing for this proffession that I aspire to that I claim to have conviction for. "Proud to want to be a nurse" Brad Salomon Dallas,TX