Ethicsrn4life

Even humans can exist without humanity and nurses are not exempte. Very sorry you do not understand the difference between venting vs vominting on others bc you can.

Yes that is my job to fight for the inherent worth and dignity of any pt perhaps i will be fighting for you one day. Venting and vomiting are different things

I am not having a bad day.

Yes it is a message board and i understood that it was not being said to pts faces, but this is a profesdional board and i will defend pts even when we use inflammatorty name calling. Words are powerful and i understand that if we feel the need to call pts ******* bc we are frustrated and admit giving them miniimun care it should be addressed very strenuously. It is interesting that other nurses have not addressed this as something quite negative and displaced anger calling pts names and one post admitting to giviing them minimum care. I do not see any humor in that. It does make me wonder about the care they receive when nurses have that attitude and can't separate their frustrations from the needs of the pts. I take nusring care very seriously and my first job is to be an advocate for the pt and i will defend it with vigor. I make no pologies about it because its was quite inflammatory and charateristic of nursing taking the frustrations out on pts...this is a sytemic problem in nusring that should be address on all levels.....,so yes WOW.....i was appalled that it was posted like that. Pts should not be referred to as ******* even in the intimate circles of nursing. Whatever happened to the art of spelling out a frustration and dealing with it, rather than reducing pts to nasty name calling. And in the other post saying with pride they will get minimum care I am fine with venting but this crossed a line.

There is nothing you can do about a feeling or a thought it is human, but their is something wrong with referring to pts as *******s. . But my first priority when i see something like that is to make sure i speak out about the inappropriateness of posting something like that on a professional site I pray that you are a fine ethical nurse because we desperately need them, but i have NO problem saying if you are not leave the profession because pts dont need nurses who can not be respectful advocates and caregivers despite their behaviors. I am not saying pts should be allowed to treat nurses disrespectfully or abusively, and their was no mention of that. Whar was implied was their entitlemement. So a pt's entitlement should not garner them being called nasty names. A skilled nurse knows how to deal with thess situations in a respectful manner or ask for help. if they can not deal with the frustrations of pts' behaviorr ask for supervision or try a new profession. And you will find that in every profession dealing with people this behavior is intrinsic.. So you certainly may bristle, but perhaps taking a personal inventory of yourself would be more appropriate. It is something all of us have to do from time to time. Remember you put that post out there and i am not the kind of nurse that will not address something so inflammatory. It is very personal.

If you work in a large urban ED, we know what groups of people you are referring to as orifices. I am an old fashion nurse who believes that people should be able to identify me as a nurse regardless of the pt i am caring for. What job is perfect? You can think and feel whatever you like Because you clean the words up does not justify just the lack of knowledge you have about human behavior under stress but i think this is a pervasive trait in your character by posting calling pts orifices and giving them minimum care. We all have frustrations that we have to deal with and i can not defend your behavior one bit. There are so many of us who are trying to change the dynamics of the culture of nursing where we are seen as advocates, and a respectable profession and for you to come along an undermine the relentless efforts that we are trying to make it simply makes me ill. There is nothing that i and other nurses have not seen or experienced on our carerrs that we can reduce people to orifices abd provide the most minimal of care because of a lack of profesional boundaries that you learn in nursing 101 and practice throughout our career. I said it to the first post that referred to pts as ******* abd i will say it again just walk away if this is how you feel. People leave their jobs everyday for different reasons. And tht kind of venom towards pts is DISPLACED if you see them as orifices abd can state you give them th minimum care. I don't see the pt as the problem it is you. I rarely experience not being able to see both sides of an issue, but in this I CAN NOT CONDONE NURSES CHOOSING A PROFESSION DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES AND NOT DEALING WITH THEIR FRUSTRATIONS IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER. SORRY THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN SAY THAT WOULD MAKE THIS MORE PALATABLE. I wont address this particular post again or anything similar because it is not defendable.

Thank you for just for the validation....our fellow peers are not the culprits.

No nurses get frustrated everyday 30yrs in nursing working in private and public i have never heard a NURSE refer to pts as *******......i can't defend that. I am certain you have a vocabulary that is bigger than that. I have been called names that you can not fathom as well as by there family members referring to me as everything except a nurse(and i am no saint), but if things are so bad that i had to refer to pts by that name.....i would walk away with no regrets. I will advocate for nurses until hell freezes over, BUT i will never condone nurses venting abusive name calling of pts. It crosses all kinds of lines. And FYI, i would not stand quietly by and allow pts to refer to nurses as ********. So if you are offended by my comments then toughen up, I talk alot about having a professional identit for nursesy, defining their value, expecting administrations to respect us and that post was offensve and repulsive to ALL NURSES who are trying to change the dynamics that are being played out in healthcare. And people like you undermine those efforts. If those are your feelings and frustrations about pt care GET OUT, FIND A MORE SUITABLE PROFESSION Feeling a certain way is not the problem, but saying them out loud is. This forum is not your private diary, and that's where your response need to go when or if you are going to refer to pts as *******..

Every pt is not warm and fuzzy nor is every nurse. Sounds as if you have some displaced expectations. It is always a HUGE concern when healthcare. personnel start referring to pts as *******.

Yes ms landers

Thank you sometimes the best nursing is kindness. No one will every be able to understand these kinds of things but nurses. I applaud you for caring for those pts. How do any of us document humanity practices?

I know these professions evolved out of nursing and i don't know who are what entity determined their value, but i know that doctors and facilities determined our identities and value, that my friend is very dangerou when others determine your worth. They will always aim low in the compensation dept.,but aim very high when it comes to responsibility. You are an xperienced ICU nurse working with pts teetering on life and death. You are invaluable, but your salary does not commensurate with this. if this is what you are saying you are right. MDs are very happy with their salaries, they even think they deserve more bc of their special skills and no one blinks twice bout their OVERINFLATED salaries, but they identified their own value not facilit or others and we must do the same. Join your local and natioal professional orgs and keep bringing the issue up and hold each other accountable.....it really is VERY important about organizing and fighting for a true identity with salary and benefits that commesurate your experience, skills. It is a fight that can be won if we as nurses see our own value. The only group of docs that i have seen complain about their compensation are inexperienced psychiatrists and believe me they have cut out a lot of services they use to perform, once established they are going to self pay(controlling clientele. ...seeing only does in a certain tax bracket). Their premise is that they are valuable and if it means catering only to those that can pay they are doing it. No one pulls at their heart strings to do more with less pay. Nurses can't and should not do that bc it is not our orientation, but we have a right to be compensated for our skills and experience. Who are the best advocates for nurses to say what our value is? NURSES If those other groups are being compensated appropriately i say Great, but our fight is not with them , our fight is with the people running hospitals and facilities. .....they are quite aware of the bargains they get with the nursing industry and it is not okay.....so let us start organizing and having a place at the adult table.

And then what......