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In the spirit of your "observed" acceptance rate study of UC on allnurses.com, here are a couple of denial posts: https://allnurses.com/pre-nurse-practitioner/university-cincinnati-np-519392-page3.html https://allnurses.com/post-graduate-nursing/university-oif-cincinnati-454101-page4.html https://allnurses.com/nurse-practitioners-np/frontier-vs-university-479836.html Please keep in mind that there is a selection (participation) bias that occurs. Not everyone getting rejected from UC wants to log in and post about it. Although you may think the acceptance rate is "nearly 100%" by reading a few threads, you probably should not post things that are not able to be fully supported with either admission statistics documents or some other form of solid evidence. This is also a good idea for future clinical practice. I'm not saying UC is the best in the country, but it is far from the "diploma mill" you are making it out to be.. Also, from one of your previous posts: "I'm very concerned with always providing the best care for my patients and so I want to go to a program where I will learn the most. It seems a lot of "diploma mill" type schools have opened for NPs, and I need help weeding them out!" I applaud your concern for future patients, but as much as I would like to allow you to shape your post so that it makes UC's program appear as a diploma mill, I think there is strong evidence against this. For anyone reading this thread, here are some highlights about UC Nursing: 1) First bachelor's degree program in nursing 2) U.S. News Best Grad Schools, ranked #64 (alongside Baylor, MGH, Texas Tech, USF, UTMB, Villanova) 3) Nursing Anesthesia, #32 4) Nursing-Midwifery, #35 5) #33 Best Online Graduate Education Programs (not nursing, but I doubt a public institution like UC would have one degree program that is a diploma mill and one that is highly ranked) 6) Pediatrics ranked #3 in the nation, along with all other medical school specialties in the top 50 (otolaryngology #18, neurology #28, geriatrics #29, cardiology #43) 7) U.S. President William Taft, Law Alumni, 1880 8) Inventor of Benadryl, George Rieveschl, Class of '37, '39', and '40 9) First emergency medicine residency program 10) First oral polio vaccine (Albert Sabin, UC Professor) More at: UC Facts, University of Cincinnati I am not a recruiter. I am seriously considering this school and take my education choices very personally. I know that when I was searching for programs, I relied heavily on the personal experience expressed on this board. I think that it is only fair that those reading threads like yours that may immediately think "nearly 100%" = diploma mill or low-quality education receive the facts.

Seems like there were people posting that they were rejected by UC. I don't think the acceptance rate is near 100%. If you have admission statistics (other than anecdotal observations on this website or otherwise) I would like see them as I am considering this school.

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Wow, we didn't even get an email notifying us of any change like they were just going to let us sit there and wait. Just, wow. Can I ask how you contacted them for a refund? Thanks!

I applied to this program for Fall 2013 and submitted all of my materials by the deadline. I did not receive any kind of notifications and still haven't received any sort of communication from the school so I thought maybe they didn't even receive my materials. I sent an email to the graduate admission coordinator and did not receive anything in return. I decided to go with another university but it still would be nice to know what happened to my application. I'm not even sure if they had interviews or sent any other emails saying they received all the materials?

Digging around at previous posts, there seem to be numerous threads about these topics and some of them do answer some of the questions regarding the direct entry models and NP vs PA pathways. There seems to be much debate over all of it with no conclusions.

I agree that RN experience does provide a solid foundation to pull from for assessment, but I suppose our question (maybe unanswerable) is how long does it take to have this basis to draw from and it must vary from individual to individual. To say that you must have that foundation though seems like kind of like saying NP courses are unnecessary because one can just go off of what they learned on the floor as a RN. I'm also curious how much of this varies depending on the practice setting. As you mentioned, you work in dialysis which I would definitely imagine has a sense of urgency at times where ER experience would be beneficial. The other thing that I'm curious about is how PA's manage to land jobs and perform competent assessments when they are, most of the time, drawing from a blank canvas in terms of previous nursing assessments completed (I know many/most PA's enter the field with healthcare experience in some capacity but not one with assessments).

I've been out of direct patient care for about a year. I definitely know where you're coming from with nervousness, but I also believe it is unfounded given that (as mentioned by BostonFNP) nurses with no prior direct patient care experience have the ability to become safe/competent nurse practitioners. Maybe some practicing NPs can chime in on whether recent direct patient care experience affects one's ability to perform competently as a nurse practitioner, but I am going to venture to say it probably does not. Forgive me if I sound crass, but I personally fail to see how IV/foley insertion, trach care, ng placement, wound care, nursing assessments, medication administration and oh yes, yes, yes...peri-care, are going to make or break me as a FNP. The bits and pieces of pathology that we pick up as a floor nurse, lab values, and possibly the typical treatment pathways used by providers seem like they can only get you so far. Furthermore, I do not recall writing SOAP notes, diagnosing, prescribing medications, or performing minor office procedures as a direct care RN. Until I meet a RN that does all of these at their medsurg unit at X hospital, I'm going to have to say that they probably have no real advantage over anyone.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and advice. In regards to networking: in my previous work as a night-shift RN, I do not believe I had very much access to nurse practitioners or the ability to network with providers. Would networking and active participation in state/local nurse practitioner groups provide a similar outcome? Also, since it was mentioned that it helps get a job and looks great on a resume, how crucial is RN experience in landing a NP job? I guess it is dependent on several factors but I always see listings that do not specify required RN experience. As the job market tightens for NPs are we going to have our resumes lumped into a pile and sorted by years of experience as a registered nurse? That seems counter-productive especially with the cross-listings for PA positions since they usually and obviously do not have RN experience. Although I have RN experience, I really do not understand the insistence that we must all have years and years and years of it to be a competent NP.

Hi Kgantt, I asked a similar question yesterday about working during NP programs. I start in the Fall, but do not plan to be working direct patient care during my program (I do have previous direct patient care experience). Without striking a nerve, I believe there is a study that shows similar patient outcomes from direct-entry nurse practitioners (with minimal direct patient care experience) and those with several years of experience. The advice that I have been given is that continuing to work in direct patient care will open doors for networking. I recall reading several times on these boards from practicing nurse practitioners that the role of the nurse practitioner is so different from their previous role as a RN that they did not feel the experience helped much. Then there are those that say their direct patient care experience shaped their ability to be competent as an advanced practice nurse, and that the term advance practice nurse implies one has contributed years and years of service to the nursing profession. I am kind of in the same boat as you, and feel that these differing opinions are really confusing for someone wanting to pursue this field. I really wish there was more congruent or conclusive thought on this - either nurse practitioners working in direct patient care are "better" in the end or they're not.

Hi Everyone, I will be starting an online FNP program this Fall and have seen that 99.99% of people in nurse practitioner programs work as a RN during the program. I do not plan on working during my program and can live/study comfortably without working (single, no kids, no major financial responsibilities). I was wondering if everyone works out of necessity or is there an unwritten law that we must all work during nurse practitioner school? More specifically, I was wondering why the large % of working nurses during NP school versus future MD's and PA's, etc. I want to devote all of my time/effort/being into learning the advanced material, and know that if I do work, NP school will be on the back-burner in my mind. Will I be looked down on by others for not working during the NP program? Thanks so much, FNP2BE15