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Thank you for your reply :) My undersanding is CRNA as of 2014 is now a doctoral degree. Not 100% positive but a nurse anesthetist I spoke to, as I was being put under (endoscopy), told me right before I entered la-la-land that it is now a doctorate program for all new students. Which, if it is true, I suppose is a good thing do to the scope of practice, however, my understanding is even though the salary is great for CRNA's it will not come close to an MD. Which also is a problem. I wonder if we will ever achieve salary goals that match the education?..?

I appreciate the answers :) Both of you. Its been hard to get straight to the point answer without having a buch of exceptions. SO THANK YOU GUYS!!!

THANK YOU :)

Hello everyone, This may be a little premature considering I am 9 months away from earning my BSN, however, my goal is NP (in which field, I am leaning towards NICU.) If I am posting in the wrong area please forgive me. Yes I know there are numerous posts about this topic, but all I want is a straight answer, not opinions, "yes or no" with a little bit of information or maybe a link to where I may find out the truth, thank you :) 2015, is it 100% MANDATED?, My understanding of the call for the transition from the master's to the DNP preparation by 2015 is that it is "recommended" or "endorsed," but NOT "mandated." There is a difference between mandated and endoresed, one is law and one is recommended. I am so very confused, NP's I have met during my clinicals shurg and are unclear too. I have visited AACN's web page http://www.aacn.nche.edu/media-relations/fact-sheets/dnp but still it is not 100% clear. So, is there anyone here you knows the truth, please :) thank you all for replying. I am sure this will become mandated at somepoint (if its not already) but if I graduate in 2015 like Im scheduled is it a fact that I will not have the choice of an masters program and will be applying for DNP? Thanks everyone, I appreciate your feedback :)

Hello everyone, I am a new nursing student, started January 4th at Chamberlain School of Nursing. So far I have been very disappointed, and would like some feed back from folks who are in the know. Chamberlain (staff) told me I must take MAT 114 College Algebra to earn a BSN, ok I understand and no big deal, however, I have MAT 122 which I took at Paradise Valley Community College over the summer, which is the identical curriculum. Chamberlain said no it has to be MAT 151 or higher, well Im in their MAT 114 class now and its identical to MAT 122 and nothing like MAT 151. My problem is I've already earned credit and now Im paying $1,800.00 for something I have already earned. Second, Transition to nursing class, nothing to do with nursing and its online. Its a class on how to write papers in APA format, well my goodness why do I have to take a class when I have been writing in APA format for the past two years while taking classes at PVCC. The work load that has to be done for this class is tremendous and worth only 1 credit our, but feels like the work load of organic chemistry, no kidding. I have never taken online classes before and so far am not a fan. Also Im taking a sociology class that is required and as stated before thats fine but find it very difficult to actually become educated by a reading discussion threads and a book, you have professor but its not like being in a classroom listening to a lecture etc... I would like to know if this is how it is throughout the BSN program w/ Chamberlain. Its very expensive and I feel Im not getting an education, however its very new and I haven't gone into an actual "nursing class" with clinical' s. Does it get better?

One should remember, you are earning a degree not just a title. I too cannot stand all the pre's and co's. I am now in a BSN program and feel that many of the classes are useless, unlike some people who have posted SOC is a waste of brain power as well as some early NUR classes but like I said you're earning a degree which means, in short, a well rounded education. Learning and becoming educated is much different than getting a degree. Many people have a degree but are not educated because they didn't learn, they just skated by... But all in all I do hate taking all these classes too and someday we will all be happy its over :) Best of luck to everyone!!!

Hello All, When calculating GPA is it the overall grade or the GPA of certain classes e.g. Bio/A&P etc... My overall GPA is not that great ( 3.2 which I thought was pretty good until I started reading these posts) On the Hesi, do they look at the science portion etc? Or is it based on Math, Grammar, Vocabulary, and Comprehension? I have taken the Hesi and my Score was 88% which I plan on taking again ( I didn't realize there was a calculator and did all the math in my head, still I passed but barley) Any help is much appreciated :) One more question, I havent heard of the CEP until recently. How does one find out how to apply and where to apply? Thank you A

Also the ASU and Chamberlain are accredited by the Commission of Collegiate Nursing Eduction (CCNE) which is the big accreditation etc..

Thank you for your input wbthomas, I would love to go the ASU route however the wait list and too long for me. I cant wait two and a half years. Chamberlain is a regionally accredited school and is accredited by the same accreditation commission as ASU. The Higher Learning Commission (HLC) and is a member of The Central Association of Colleges and Schools. So if (which I intend to do) I want to earn my masters and obtain my NP my credits will transfer and/or my degree is recognized by Higher Learning Universities. Your understanding is correct with most private schools though (brookline etc..) they are nationally accredited and credits more than likely will not be recognized by universities. What is the CEP ?? 70K is the cost if you haven't taken any school before and you are starting out fresh. I have my pre and co-requisites finished so the price comes down 23-25K. So 53K for a BSN is still high but I dont have to wait, the classes are very small and the instructors are excellent. The wait for me to go to the community collage route and transfer over to ASU (bridge) is close to 6 semesters, I dont have that much time, well I dont want to wait that long not that I dont have the time. CONGRATS ON ASU!!!! THAT'S GREAT!!!! If I can ask ??? HOW did you get into ASU without a wait?? Also you must have a very high GPA. Mine is 3.2 which is not "good enough" for ASU. I was told you need a 3.5 or higher to even be considered.

Hi JasonJacobson Thank you! I will be contacting you with a couple questions very soon, I agree with you very much and will be applying Monday to Chamberlain, its by far the better choice I feel compared to schools I have researched. One of the biggest decision makers for me was Accreditation, I would in the future like to earn an NP and its imperative that credits transfer and the school actually educates you! Chamberlain seems like a winner and the small class sizes are just what Im looking for. Did you have all your pre and co's finished before attending or did you take those classes there? (MAT,STAT etc..)

I found this on ASU's nursing programs website. Thought Id post to help understand this 80% BSN thing "The Maricopa-ASU CEP is an educational pathway partnership designed to assist in meeting the Institute of Medicine 2010 Future of Nursing goal to increase the percentage of BSN RNs to 80% in Arizona by 2020." Again the reasons behind are unclear, but I post to simply help explain. Thanks !

Thank You RNfaster, You do make valid points. I have not considered the CNA route however, I may do so so I can get my foot in the door a bit faster and if there are educational rewards for doing so. I have heard of hospitals assisting in tuition to further education which is a wonderful benefit! I also have given much thought about taking as many co/pre-requisites as possible toward a BSN. The 80% goes further than Obama, Ive called HR departments and I guess that is the goal hospitals wish to achieve by the year 2020. However, the reasoning is unclear. I have a feeling (as most changes) are to comply with certain insurance criteria. In other words insurance will require a facility to have such a ratio in order to pay on a claim. Foolish? yep but that's politics! It boggles my mind on how competitive the nursing field is today, although I suppose it does produce better nurses and that can only be a good thing. Thank you very much for your thoughts!

Hello All This is my first post so if I am doing something wrong please understand. My name is Aaron and reside in AZ. I am in my early Forties and for the past 18 months I have been earning my pre and co-requisites (which I will have completed by the end of the first summer session) at PVCC. Like many I am very discouraged with the wait list (over 2.5 years as I have been told by numerous sources) and have chosen to look at private nursing schools. Yes, they are very expensive but I have to look at the wait verses years lost of earning potential, and with over a 2 year wait going to a private school seems the best choice (if I can obtain financing) I havent been in school close to thirty years (left school in the ninth grade due to bad circumstances as a child) but have worked very hard to get to where I am now, VERY Hard and have a nice GPA. I have completed my HESI and Passed. Now I have a choice to make, I have called three local hospital human resource departments to ask a simple question. "Do you hire (as a norm) new grads with an ARN or are they overlooked by a new grad with a BSN?" Their reply, from all three hospitals, was the same. " We do not over look, however we will hire the nurse with a BSN first and if we do hire a nurse with an Associates we immediately have them enroll into a program to earn their BSN" The reasoning behind this is, by a certain date (I forgot when) that in order to comply with new rules and regulations that at least 80% of all nurses in AZ (and other states to follow) have a BSN. There are also reasons due to the possibility of ObamaCare becoming a reality that this 80% has something to do with it. I will have to do some more research on this subject, but this is leading to my question. Is it worth earning your BSN according to the trend that seems to be upon us? I ask here because I would like to hear from real people in the field. Also what are your opinions of Everest? Chamberlain? Brookline? I understand that brookline is not regionally accredited so they are pretty much out anyway. Everest will not accept your science class (bio/ap/micro and chem) credits unless you score over an 80% on your hesi exam in those areas, which I find ridiculous. After touring all three I found Chamberlain to have their ducks in a straighter row, but again I would like your opinions. I have many more questions but for now Ill leave it at this, thank you in advance !!

Hello All :) This is my first post so if I am doing something wrong please understand. My name is Aaron and reside in AZ. I am in my early Forties and for the past 18 months I have been earning my pre and co-requisites (which I will have completed by the end of the first summer session) at PVCC. Like many I am very discouraged with the wait list (over 2.5 years as I have been told by numerous sources) and have chosen to look at private nursing schools. Yes, they are very expensive but I have to look at the wait verses years lost of earning potential, and with over a 2 year wait going to a private school seems the best choice (if I can obtain financing) I havent been in school close to thirty years (left school in the ninth grade due to bad circumstances as a child) but have worked very hard to get to where I am now, VERY Hard and have a nice GPA. I have completed my HESI and Passed. Now I have a choice to make, I have called three local hospital human resource departments to ask a simple question. "Do you hire (as a norm) new grads with an ARN or are they overlooked by a new grad with a BSN?" Their reply, from all three hospitals, was the same. " We do not over look, however we will hire the nurse with a BSN first and if we do hire a nurse with an Associates we immediately have them enroll into a program to earn their BSN" The reasoning behind this is, by a certain date (I forgot when) that in order to comply with new rules and regulations that at least 80% of all nurses in AZ (and other states to follow) have a BSN. There are also reasons due to the possibility of ObamaCare becoming a reality that this 80% has something to do with it. I will have to do some more research on this subject, but this is leading to my question. Is it worth earning your BSN according to the trend that seems to be upon us? I ask here because I would like to hear from real people in the field. Also what are your opinions of Everest? Chamberlain? Brookline? I understand that brookline is not regionally accredited so they are pretty much out anyway. Everest will not accept your science class (bio/ap/micro and chem) credits unless you score over an 80% on your hesi exam in those areas, which I find ridiculous. After touring all three I found Chamberlain to have their ducks in a straighter row, but again I would like your opinions. I have many more questions but for now Ill leave it at this, thank you in advance !!