sax_journey

I'm a little confused by this situation, but at this point, do you really *want* to return to this particular workplace? It sure sounds like there are a lot of unwelcoming people there, for whatever reason. everyone keeps asking me that. but it is a good job, most of the staff are great, and i didnt do anything wrong so why should i leave???? i am good at my job, and it is going to look bad to keep leaving jobs. this will be the 2nd job i've left in one year. given everything that has happened i probably wont return (that is if i ever get off suspension...)....but i will not let them fire me as i have done nothing wrong. i just want my name cleared.

what is HRM?? suspended without pay i'm afraid. i rang the IRC about this today and apparantly the award we work under is silent about the matter of suspension.....so apparantly they can suspend me for as long as they feel like without pay while they are "investigating" the allegations....as for back pay if i am proven innocent apparantly this is up to the employer to decide if they back pay or not, so i'm taking a wild guess that it wont be happening.....but i dont see how is this not "disciplinary action"??? they rang today and sayd they cant re-instate me until they speak to mental health services....i told them to be my guest as i have nothing to hide....so i gave them the name of the person i was speaking to ....and they claim this person is on holidays for 2 weeks, and apparantly there is no one else they can ask about it, so i just have to wait til this person is getting back from holidays.... current employer does not know about previous problem at other job as far as i know, but several other staff do. at one stage in our converstaion it was two people who complained, now they are saying 4 people complained. I dont know the exact nature of these complaints, and if all four ppl complianed about everything, or if they all put in different parts of it....the conversation where i allegedly threatened residents apparantly took place on a sun evening about 10pm and there are not even 4 staff on our wing at that time of night, so they cant all be claiming to have been there.........but i was not told very much. everytime i asked questions they would interrupt. i did find out the identity of 2 of the people and am so tempted to call them and ask them what is going on, but i think that would make it much worse. i have been on the phone to the unions again, and sent back and forth a few times between the two states, but finally explained the situation to someone, who has to discuss with her boss, and she sayd someone would contact me tomorrow, so hopefully i may get some advice at least....

i did do that after being fired from the 1st job, and now take antidepressants, and have not had a problem since. but unfortuna6tly it is hard to convince people of that since i do have a history. i dont expect you to believe me since you don't know me, but FWIW there is absolutly no prob with my mental health at this current time, and no justification for the allegations made against me.

Went alone as no one from union wanted to know about it, couldnt find anyone who was not at work who wanted to come along. I did take notes, and so did they.... As for what i am not telling, i dont quite know what to say. yes this is the 2nd job i've had problems with. the 1st job they basically fired me because i refused to go see their psychologist (among other things), yes i was stressed and depressed at the time, and yes this was affecting my job performance and i prob should have gone to see their psych person....but i didnt, and that was that. if u want to know anything else just ask, i am not trying to hide anything. however this time i really do not know where these accusations have come from, i am good at my job, i am very capable and competant, and i really love my job. I work in a locked dementia wing in a private nursing home. Until this point have not had any problems or complaints made against me, nor have i had any problems at my other job on a general med/surg ward.

Perhaps i could have had a case after being fired. i was only a new grad and i didnt know much about the union, or unfair dismissal etc. it was devestating to my self esteem to be fired from a new grad prog, and i just walked away, i really didnt want to think about it. In hindsight i was miserable in that hospital, and am much better off now in my current position (one of them anyhow)...and this time i will not walk away when i am treated unfairly. i would love to hear from anyone with any knowledge/advice in Australia. How am i able to copy this post to the Australian forum? i am desperate for some solution to this problem...but at the same time i am frightened of losing my registration as i do have a mental health hx.....and with all these allegations flying around, i just cant seem to convince anyone that i am innocent, mentally stable..... i went to the meeting today with the DON and ADON. It was a nightmare, and very very bizarre. They sayd it was not a "disciplinary matter" and yet i am still suspended until further notice. They deny speaking to my other employer, state that they didnt even realise i was working elsewhere, and THEN state they have spoken TWICE to my other employer about this matter???? They deny discussing it with other staff, but later admit to discussing it with two other staff but this was "only out of concern for my well being" And on and on it went full of strange things but i wont write them all out....but the weirdest most infuriating thing was this-- They threatened that if i do not "confess" to being guilty of these allegations then 1. they will fire me and 2. they will report me to the reg board.......now it seems so odd that they want me to confess to threatenting residents among other things, and if i do not confess then i lose me job??? maybe it is a trick or something, i just cant understand. Obviously i refused to confess as i am innocent.....they stated that they believe the other people who reported these complaints and i am either 1. lying or 2. so mentally unstable that i completly forgot these events happened...... They kept telling me to "trust them"......yeah right after they lied to me and about me, and are now trying to blackmail me into making a false confession??? then they sayd what a great RN i am, that they have no concerns about my pt care (um but they want me to confess to threatening residents??), and that the person who reported me stated the same thing (so why did they report me then??).....then they basically sayd if i do not co operate with them (ie tell them what they want to hear) then my "nursing career is over"... i know this sounds bizarre, and i can hardly believe it either, i am stuck and dont know what to do now?? i think i will try the IRC like you suggested, particularly if they do terminate my employment. atm i am just "suspended until further notice" and who knows what that means??? i can not understand any of this????

Perhaps i could have had a case after being fired. i was only a new grad and i didnt know much about the union, or unfair dismissal etc. it was devestating to my self esteem to be fired from a new grad prog, and i just walked away, i really didnt want to think about it. In hindsight i was miserable in that hospital, and am much better off now in my current position (one of them anyhow)...and this time i will not walk away when i am treated unfairly. i would love to hear from anyone with any knowledge/advice in Australia. How am i able to copy this post to the Australian forum? i am desperate for some solution to this problem...but at the same time i am frightened of losing my registration as i do have a mental health hx.....and with all these allegations flying around, i just cant seem to convince anyone that i am innocent, mentally stable..... i went to the meeting today with the DON and ADON. It was a nightmare, and very very bizarre. They sayd it was not a "disciplinary matter" and yet i am still suspended until further notice. They deny speaking to my other employer, state that they didnt even realise i was working elsewhere, and THEN state they have spoken TWICE to my other employer about this matter???? They deny discussing it with other staff, but later admit to discussing it with two other staff but this was "only out of concern for my well being" And on and on it went full of strange things but i wont write them all out....but the weirdest most infuriating thing was this-- They threatened that if i do not "confess" to being guilty of these allegations then 1. they will fire me and 2. they will report me to the reg board.......now it seems so odd that they want me to confess to threatenting residents among other things, and if i do not confess then i lose me job??? maybe it is a trick or something, i just cant understand. Obviously i refused to confess as i am innocent.....they stated that they believe the other people who reported these complaints and i am either 1. lying or 2. so mentally unstable that i completly forgot these events happened...... They kept telling me to "trust them"......yeah right after they lied to me and about me, and are now trying to blackmail me into making a false confession??? then they sayd what a great RN i am, that they have no concerns about my pt care (um but they want me to confess to threatening residents??), and that the person who reported me stated the same thing (so why did they report me then??).....then they basically sayd if i do not co operate with them (ie tell them what they want to hear) then my "nursing career is over"... i know this sounds bizarre, and i can hardly believe it either, i am stuck and dont know what to do now?? i think i will try the IRC like you suggested, particularly if they do terminate my employment. atm i am just "suspended until further notice" and who knows what that means??? i can not understand any of this????

i did join nsw union after being fired from ngp. but u r right i should have joined ACT as well, it is certainly not worth working without legal protection. Thanx 4 the suggestions. The reg board is the last place i'd go for fear it would be turned around on me somehow. i know people who have lost their reg due to hx mental health issues and that is the last thing i'd want.

i did join nsw union after being fired from ngp. but u r right i should have joined ACT as well, it is certainly not worth working without legal protection. Thanx 4 the suggestions. The reg board is the last place i'd go for fear it would be turned around on me somehow. i know people who have lost their reg due to hx mental health issues and that is the last thing i'd want.

trust me i have been on the phone all week to both the NSW nurses union and the ACT ANF. Apparantly it is their new policy to encourage people to pay fees. i can understand that, and it is my own fault for not joining when i started workin in the ACT. Please feel free to investigate the matter if yoo feel this is not the case. i would be interested to hear what you find out.

trust me i have been on the phone all week to both the NSW nurses union and the ACT ANF. Apparantly it is their new policy to encourage people to pay fees. i can understand that, and it is my own fault for not joining when i started workin in the ACT. Please feel free to investigate the matter if yoo feel this is not the case. i would be interested to hear what you find out.

I live close to the state borer and work in the ACT and NSW. I am only a memebr of the NSW union as that is where my permanent job is,and also where i live. I didnt think i could afford to pay fees for both states which in hindsight was very silly of me. the NSW union does not want to know about it as it is "not their problem", and ACT does not want to know as it is "too complex, and draining on thier resources". The policy in the ACT ANF states that if you dont pay union fees, they are not obliged to represent you. You used to be able to back pay fees and then be covered, but they stopped this practice. If you dont believe me feel free to contact the ACT ANF about this policy.

I live close to the state borer and work in the ACT and NSW. I am only a memebr of the NSW union as that is where my permanent job is,and also where i live. I didnt think i could afford to pay fees for both states which in hindsight was very silly of me. the NSW union does not want to know about it as it is "not their problem", and ACT does not want to know as it is "too complex, and draining on thier resources". The policy in the ACT ANF states that if you dont pay union fees, they are not obliged to represent you. You used to be able to back pay fees and then be covered, but they stopped this practice. If you dont believe me feel free to contact the ACT ANF about this policy.

I sincerely hope you are not working in the mental health field. It is people like you that are the reason so many people are deterred from seeking help for mental illness.

I sincerely hope you are not working in the mental health field. It is people like you that are the reason so many people are deterred from seeking help for mental illness.

I am neither currently self harming, nor at significant risk, as my employer could have verified by discussiong this with me privatly rather than broadcasting my mental health history, and unsubstantiated slanderous allegations made against me by other staff members. I dont care how this is justified, it is wrong. As for "coping with life" it has been my experience that SI is a coping mechanism, and a very effective one. Everyone has different ways to cope with life, some people drink, some smoke, some people feel the need to belittle others to make themselves feel better.. If SI helps someone cope, them whats the problem?? its not hurting anyone else. Yes we all know about Beverly Allit. And yes it is very sad for the innocent young children whose lives were taken by her. I count myself very fortunate that i dont live in the UK as i know there are laws about nurses and SI which stem from this case. I think this is a tragedy, and is robbing the world of many caring nurses. Beverly had many other mental health issues other than SI. I can hardly believe you would insinuate that all nurses with PD are a danger to patients....And in any case the majority of deaths that occur as a result of munchausens by proxy are caused by parents not nurses. Perhaps you think all people who SI and have PD's should have custody of their children taken away???? Unfortunatly there are some very disturbed people in the world, but i am not one of them, and neither are the majority of people who SI, or who have a PD. I know many nurses who have hx of SI and PD, and these are some of the most caring and competant nurses i know.