tommyperkins

the following presentation was given at the may 21, 2004 open forum of the north carolina board of nursing meeting: http://www.angelfire.com/journal/forcedaa/ncbon.html

The following is the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Just whom do you think they are talking about here?

Please offer some stats. Which program comes in second place?

Stanton Peele's point is that 12-step coercion violates a person's constitutional right to religious liberty.

Why do you think I have a bias against religion? I am a Christian.

I'll be honest, open-minded and willing. I just wanted to ask you a few questions since you posted your credentials and also said you were a long-time member of AA, so I thought you would be well-informed enough to answer some basic questions. I d...

Are you the teacher? If so then I am the pupil and I am ready to ask you some questions.

anyone who might believe that aa is not religious can read chapter 3 of this book: http://www.morerevealed.com/books/resist/index.html not to mention that numerous federal and state courts have ruled aa to be religious.

No, I'm not a nurse. Does that make me ineligible to express my opinion here?

Wow!!! Especially the quote by Justice Black!

are you saying that it would not hurt anyone to be forced to pray? if so then why would the u.s. state department be reporting on such human rights violations as mentioned below? "in taliban-controlled areas, the taliban had decreed that all muslims...

This link was included in the original link of this thread: http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html In case you don't care to read down it that far it reads "Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be com...

I was allowed only fifteen minutes to speak and then turned over to the public relations director outside of the meeting. The Executive Director of the Board said she would look into the matter. The pr guy told me he thought it was all very interes...

Yes, anyone who denies that prayer is religious is definitely playing a game of semantics. "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."George Orwell

Have you ever considered that the American treatment system may be harmful rather than helpful? Many writers claim that it is harmful including Dr. Stanton Peele, Dr. Herbert Fingarette, and Dr. Jeff Schaler who last year was featured on ABC News' 2...

recall that in post # 18 mjlrn97 wrote: "frankly, i think this whole topic is a smokescreen to enable the subject of the op to continue to live in denial" perhaps mjlrn97 or anyone else from the 12-step programs or the treatment field can explain to ...

those are some excellent points, lemonhead. when elkpark writes: "the comparison to property rights is a good one. we have a right to due process protections relative to real property that we have purchased, but we have no constitutional right to ha...

Does that horrendous relapse rate also include those who have been through formal addiction treatment? When you say "we professionals" are you talking about nurses in general or are you talking about treatment professionals? Are you a treatment pro...

yes, i got a reply. here it is in case you missed it: "tommy. thank you for your email.the issue you asked about is an outside issue to na, and na has no opinionon any outside issue. how or why a person comes to na is not our concern. na groups hav...

Which question?

so na claims coercion is an outside issue, yet they publish guidelines for cooperating with coercion: http://www.na.org/bulletins/bull31.htm just as does aa: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.com/english/fellowshipsvcs/e_guides/mg-05.html

well then, let's take a very close look:"-----original message-----from: steve sigmansent: friday, december 21, 2001 9:43 amto: jeff gershoffsubject: re: coercion: attn. mr. gershoffhi tommy. thank you for your email.the issue you asked about is an o...

My point was that Lemonhead made an excellent point. Furthermore, AA's cooperation with coercion has turned AA into a penal colony, thus they cooperate with this coercion at their own peril. There is a BIG difference between someone who does illeg...

here are a couple of recent examples of the types of people you might meet at an aa meeting: http://athensreview.com/articles/2004/06/11/news/news08.txt http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/8903907.htm?1c