yersinia21

What? You obviously have no experience with PAs. Its commonplace for docs to let their PAs deliver babies solo with the doc on pager if complications arise. You obviously dont understand malpractice insurance. They cover the doc, not the PA. The doc is ultimately responsible for the patient, not the PA. Once again, bad information. Most hospitals DO ALLOW PAS to deliver babies. Its up to the docs discretion as to what the PAs can do or not do.

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You have a good way of showing that. Truth is there is nothing substantial separating the training of PAs vs NPs. The extra years getting a masters dont improve health outcomes for patients, and PAs taking over primary care iwth only a bachelors degree is equivalent to NP practice.

Uhhh...exactly what does this have to do with anything I said in the quote? I asked about specific pathophysiology that NPs would teach to residents.

Explain to me then what is so magic about NP training compared to PAs. So far you have nothing but personal attacks, which means you have exhausted all logical argument.

You probably dont even understand what real pathophys is. Give me an example of an NP teaching a resident about pathophys and I'll show you a weak resident. Your hospital must be draw a very weak resident pool, meaning that its either in the stix or is full of IMGs from foreign countries because american grads didnt want to match there.

Why have an NP do that when a bachelors-trained PA can do the same things with the same efficacy? Thats a waste of a masters degree. You dont NEED a masters degree to do those things. Very simple common knowledge.

A monkey can do those things. Long term, neither NPs nor MDs will be doing that basic stuff. You dont even need to go to college for such basic practice.

Wait a minute... now you are shifting the goalposts. Your previous post was that NPs were trained just as well as doctors. Now you are saying that its only true for family medicine. So you agree that your blanket statement was inaccurate? Otherwise, please explain to me why NPs can replace all MD/DOs. Explain to me how NPs are qualified to run surgeries and interpret MRI independently?

Thats not true. NPs CAN NOT totally replace MDs, which is what you are implying with your "trained just as good" comment. MD/DO are still the gold standard of medicine, which means that if somehow you could replace all MDs with NPs, healthcare would suffer greatly. NPs cant replace surgeons, endocrinologists, radiologists, cardiologists, and all the medical specialties NPs have their role as independent practioners in some primary care environments. But thats DIFFERENT than saying that NPs are trained the same as all MD/DOs. As I said, NPs and MDs are both important healthcare practioners. MDs have 4 years of college, 4 years of med school and 3-7 years of residency, whereas NPs have 4 years of college and a 2 years masters program. To pretend that thats equivalent training is laughable. If it were equivalent, you'd see NPs as surgeons, or working as radiologists, or on the chief of staff at a major hospital.

tenesma, hospitals make a crap load of money off of residents. Its a huge cash cow for them. You are naive if you think that the money just gets used up training the resident. Its an understood reality that Medicare funds each resident position in excess to reimburse hospitals for patients who cant afford to pay and have no insurance. Most resident training programs are in hospitals that ahve a large portion of uninsiured patients.

NPs cant replace doctors. NPs and MDs need each other. No one group is better than the whole.

You are really concerned with MDs arent you? Every post a slam, every quote a reference to how you are supposedly better.