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Hi LeahFull, I forgot to add that there are orientations for financial aid---I went to one last year, and it will go over the basics and the different types of aid---grants, loans, fee waiver, etcetera. The website should have dates listed, but it might be easier to just call and ask them when the next orientation is. There may be some forms for you to fill out at the fin aid office too for your file (can't remember the specifics).......best route is to call and ask them the procedure (especially if you are looking for grant money since the earlier the better for grants), and then most likely go to one of the orientations and stop by their office to get your file created. Hope that clarifies a bit!

Hi LeahFull, I just realized that I had replied to a post from 2004!!! Haha.....oooooops. But at least you came across my post so I don't feel like a complete moron!! Financial aid at GWC can be tricky because of the office's disorganization and lack of clarity (my experience anyway). For example, I already have a BA, so my financial aid has been limited to the BOG fee waiver (that's what I was alluding to when saying fin aid would hopefully cover my tuition) and loans. I haven't had a problem getting the BOG fee waiver every semester, and all I did was do my FAFSA on time and make sure GWC was one of the listed schools on my FAFSA---that's all--nothing else to fill out, do, etc. There used to be paperwork to fill out to get the BOG fee waiver, but now it's an automatic process given you qualify, based on your FAFSA. However, the loan was a completely different story since I had never applied for a loan before and because I have a BA---getting started was a real chore. I had to wait until October to turn in my application, and then I got denied and had to write a letter and appeal, only because I was "over the allowed attempted units," due to having a BA. After a LONG time waiting, I was approved (most BA holders are--it's just procedure to have to appeal) and got my loan money towards the end of the semester!!! Luckily, the next semester was easier because I was approved for the year. My understanding is that I have to go though the loan and appeal process all over again for this next Fall, but I am planning on stopping by the Fin Aid office and clarifying. As far as I know, they haven't started accepting loan applications yet for Fall. Go to the Fin Aid office and ask them the exact procedures for whatever kind of aid you are applying for. I would not rely on their website exclusively---it's not always clear. Go a couple times (or call) and talk to a couple different people if you have to, especially if you don't get clear-cut answers the first time around! I really had problems with a couple of the staff who misdirected me and delayed my loan, but this was a couple semesters ago, so hopefully it has improved. I noticed there is a link to apply for the BOG fee waiver online, but I have never had to do this or apply for it, and I have gotten the BOG fee waiver for the last three semesters!! The link isn't even working! I am not sure what's going on with their website.....I also had trouble logging onto their system to look at my fin aid profile, so I guess I need to fix that when I go in person or call over the phone. Sorry I couldn't be more detailed....but my advice is to start asking the fin aid office questions now pertaining to your indivudal circumstances, and you will most likely automatically get your tuition fees paid for if you qualify for the BOG fee waiver and have completed your FAFSA on time. Good luck.....and see you on orientation day!!! I'll let you know if I come across any specifics!

Which pre-reqs are you taking this summer? Good luck with your pre-reqs! I did some of my pre-reqs at GWC starting Spring 2009 and got accepted to the program for Fall 2010. The best advice I can give you: get all As! Sure, GWC does a lottery in the end, but there is also a formula they use to select and rank individuals. You can find the exact formula on the nursing website. Besides doing well with your GPA, I can also suggest getting involved with the student nursing association, though I don't have personal experience with this organization just yet (I almost did, but my schedule got so busy between work and school that I missed the meetings to get started) and you can also take Nursing 009 which is an Intro to Nursing class--it's really basic and not part of the program curriculum, but it's recommended for intended majors and you'll meet like-minded people (and competition!) and get some tips and advice, etc., and you learn medical terminology, study skills, etc...it may be a bit tedious actually because some of it is so basic or review, but if you are a "networking" kind of person or just want to be on top of your game in every possible way--then I recommend this class. Anatomy teachers at GWC are hit or miss, but the classes are usually so full that it's best to get into any class you can and just suck it up and do your best, as I did with a really horrible (but personally likeable) teacher. Physio--at this time there is one teacher for this class with different lab instructors, and he is good. Microbio--also hit or miss....though I had ---- and he was pretty straightforward and not super hard. I also took Pharmacology to get it out of the way (------ is good), and a Pathophys which is recommended but not required----good class to tie together anatomy and physio and micro---best to take it after you are done with the needed pre-reqs. As far as the program itself---it will take a bit of money to start up---so far I've spent $250 for a physical exam and immunizations (I don't have health insurance at the moment), $20 for malpractice insurance, $80 for a background check, $65 for a CPR class/certification, and I will spend about $350-$400 for uniforms and supplies, and probably $500-$600 at least for books, and I am hoping my tuition will be covered by financial aid! After you apply (October I think, that's when I applied, and now it's once a year), and you get accepted, you will be required to take the TEAS--you just have to pass with a certain score--it's pretty low, and then you are in! There is an orientation on July 29, so I can post more info after that. Good luck and let me know if you have any specific questions about GWC in general or the classes!

For CSULB'S EL-MSN program there is a 10 point ranking system. You have to take the TEAS also before applying. The breakdown: 4 points awarded for science GPA (Anat, Physio, Micro, and Chem), 2 points for other pre-reqs GPA (English, Math, Speech, etc), 2 points for your overall TEAS score, and 2 points for your TEAS Math score. So, the 4 points science GPA is easy to figure out because you just use your GPA for those classes, and for the other requirements---I just halved whatever my actual score was to figure out my total. You have to have a minimum GPA of 3.0 in your undergrad cumulative GPA to qualify, but they don't factor this in the points system. CSUF's ranking system is quite different----more factors they consider in the process and letters of rec if I am remembering correctly. Good luck taking Chem! That is the class that ultimately hurt me...i had As in all my other sciences, and just one B within all my other pre-reqs, but a C in Chem :-( I also had a decent, but not super-high TEAS score of 88.8 overall, and 88.9 for Math (ranking-wise for TEAS, that is actually really high, was like in top 3% nationwide, but I know that some people were scoring well above the 90s) You can take the TEAS more than once and they will take your highest score. I would try all the schools you mentioned, and aside from more expensive and private programs, I can't think of any other schools off the top of my head. I went to LBCC's orientation--they have more requirements than other CCs, and I wasn't too impressed with the orientation itself, but I guess they have a decent program based on what I've heard others say (not a big fan of the school itself based on first impressions and my husband's experience as a student there) GWC's requirements to get in are straightforward, and you apply around October, but then they do lottery also. Again, good luck! And I will keep you posted on anything relevant that I hear about that could help you in the application process.

Hi Malefocker-- Thanks for going over your thought process....it's nice to read the comments of others who are in a similar situation. I did get accepted to GWC for Fall 2010 and will definitely be going there, even if by some miracle Saddleback accepts me as well. That's crazy about Saddleback taking only 18-pointers!! Like you, maybe I could be chosen by lottery, though I have all As in my pre-reqs, my most recent cumulative GPA at that time was a 3.7, so I would be really close to 18 points!! I hope you get chosen!! I agree with all of your statements about experience, money, etc......and I am definitely going to look into the ADN-MSN bridge programs. But like you said, let's get the experience first. I didn't mention it in my first post, but in addition to wanting to go for CSN or NP (at this moment anyway) I have always liked public health, epidemiology, etc, and Microbio was my favorite class by far, so I have to consider my innate interests as well, and who knows---maybe i will combine nursing with a more research-oriented or public health slant (like a MSN-MPH program, or just a MPH, etc, etc).....I guess I'll have a better idea of what my niche will be once I am done with the ADN. You said you are just going to apply to a MSN program if you don't get into Saddleback......are you considering CSULB? I didn't get accepted there (probably for the best!)...just found out a couple weeks ago. I heard the cutoff score (out of 10 points) was really high this year, above 9.0.....I had like a 8.7 score. Crazy! Good Luck....I hope Saddleback comes through for you!!

Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts! There are some really good points mentioned on both sides of the topic. This will really help me in the end. I am turning in my application for the EL-MSN program tomorrow. I am still leaning towards the ADN program at the moment, but that could change as I really think things over and do some research. I wish the EL-MSN program I am applying to had CNL in addition to the CNS or NP tracts, and I really like the idea of a MPH...always have, even before I decided to pursue nursing, so I need to consider that as well. The school I am applying to has a MPH/MSN, but only for BSN holders. I wish I had looked more into accelerated BSN programs, though there are none in my immediate area aside from a private and expensive school that I have not heard good things about. Anyway---thanks again everyone!

Thanks Ruby Vee and andrewphuongdao--- That makes 3/3 so far validating my 'gut feeling' :)

Thanks CoffeemateCNA-- Hearing this kind of advice from someone actually in the field (and not just friends and family) is very helpful. My gut feeling is telling me to go the ADN/RN route, but I've always pushed myself to go for "more," so it seemed natural to apply to the EL-MSN program also. I am actually fearful of being one of those professionals with a title but with little hands-on experience to back up my knowledge (even though I would hope that would come with lots of exposure, but it seems like that route would be torturous!).....I can't make a decision until May anyway (provided I get accepted) so I have lots of time to think about it! I also have to consider the cost as I mentioned earlier---there are a lot of changes taking place in the educational system regarding financial aid/loans, etc, so going the ADN route does seem more "safe" and practical in that regards....hmmmmm :-) Thanks again for your advice, much appreciated!!

I have been accepted to an ADN program for Fall 2010, but I am also applying to an entry-level Master's program and will hopefully hear back in May. My dilemma is I feel conflicted about choosing one over the other. I have a B.A. in Human Development with an emphasis in health services, and my prior work experience has been in social services and non-profits/group homes. Since I have no experience as a nurse or even in a clincal setting (not counting a residential treatment facility/group home---I am talking about hospital, etc) would it be better to get my ADN/RN, work a bit, and then continue my education along the way? Or, if I were to be accepted to the EL-MSN program---is it better to come out after 3 years with an advanced degree (this program offers NP or CSN tracks) with no practical/work experience? (I could theoretically work as an RN while finishing the MSN portion, but that's not a given). I just feel like both have advantages. With the ADN---less time to complete, MUCH cheaper (like $4,000 versus close to $30,000), and more flexibility for working part-time during school (from what I have been told---like 15 hrs per week considered doable). With MSN---I come out with an advanced degree, BSN and RN in just 3 years....and I like the idea of being "specialized" or having an advanced degree, since I have always seen myself going for a Masters in the human services field at some point anyway. Anyone out there in the same boat or have any advice? especially any of you who are actually working as a nurse and have any practical advice! Thanks in advance!

hey theloneran6er, goldenwest college requires a minimum of 2.0 gpa, and they combine that with your grades from english, anat, physio, and micro to come up with a 'probability' score (probability of success in the program). then there is a cutoff score based on minimum requirements (not sure what that cutoff score is in numbers) if you meet the cutoff score then you are placed in a lottery of qualified applicants. i got in on my first try! with a lottery system---that's mostly luck of course. i think goldenwest is a good option for you, but you'll have to wait til next october to apply for the following year unfortunately...just keep it in mind, and keep your chin up! i'm 28 and restarting my education/career too, so until i recently got my gwc acceptance letter, i had been a bundle of nerves wondering if i was going to get into any school! just apply, apply, apply, and get some classes you may need for later (like pharmacology, etc) out of the way and try to boost your overall/combined gpa.

I will definitely let you know if I get in! I have been accepted to the ADN program at Golden West College...just found out a couple days ago, so that is a big relief in case I don't get into the EL-MSN program. In the end, I am okay with getting my RN license first, working for a bit, and then going back to school again...somehow, I even find that idea more appealing (more practical?). There is no harm in applying obviously, and to as many schools as you can--it seems like there are so many variations on requirements and the applicant selection process. Kudos to completing your health sciences major--sounds tough!! I majored in Human Development with an emphasis in health services..mostly soft science with some easy bio courses thrown in :-) I think having the Health Sciences will only help you in the end--there are schools that take closely related bachelor's into consideration also. I think you have a good chance, but explore all the options and different routes of becoming a nurse also---besides ADN, there are also accelerated BSN programs to consider!

Hi tlw87, I may not be much help because I am currently applying here in Southern Cali, and it looks like you are mainly applying to schools up North? What was your major? What pre-reqs have you completed? Most state schools with EL-MSN programs, just like CCs, require you to take Antaomy, Physio, Microbio, General Chem, and English before you can apply--were they all part of your prior major? I am applying to Long Beach State and it is pretty competitive! Only 48 people per year. Long Beach ranks you based on a points system....4 points for science GPA, 2 points for overall pre-req GPA (English, Speech, Math, Critical Thinking, etc), 2 points for overall TEAS score, and 2 points for TEAS Math score. You also need a minimum 3.0 cumulative from you bachelor's. (I barely squeaked by--a 3.01) Adding up my points--I should be around a 8.6/10. I am retaking the TEAS to try and score higher to boost my overall ranking. You are also interviewed if initially selected based on ranking. The intake coordinator for Long Beach did say they'll consider applicants who are close to a 3.0 cumulative (I believe she said 2.8 for example would be okay) if they rank high enough anyway on the pre-reqs and TEAS...basically, there would be hope for you in this case, if this situation applies to you. I think there must be a program out there that will work with your 2.92 GPA, especially if you kill on all the other requirements! Hope this helps in some way...good luck!

Congrats jippyskippy02!! I know someone that has applied to GWC 4 times! (when they used to take apps per semester)...so I really do feel lucky to have gotten accepted. I called GWC the other day just to verify some info--they will be sending another letter after the TEAS testing is done with an acceptance form that MUST be completed to guarantee your spot in the program. You can also send your TEAS score electronically if you take it before the April date, as you probably know from the letter, and I just did that, costs $20 to send it in. Yeah, I think you are right--it's great as long as we get into a program! The cost of the ADN program has me thinking, but I'll just wait for CSULB's decision before I really give it more thought, other than that I will drive myself nuts with a lot of possibilities that may not be a reality for me in the end! Good to hear about the ADN nursing classes applying to the MSN program, thanks for that info, I hadn't looked into it yet. Good luck on the TEAS!! Let me know if you have any questions about it.

Hi, This is just a general thread for anyone out there like me who is applying to SoCal area schools for 2010. I have applied to Golden West in Huntington Beach, Saddleback in Mission Viejo, and will be turning in the department application for CSULB's EL-MSN program right before it's due. I just got a letter saying I have been accepted to GWC! I was shocked because this is my first time applying to nursing schools, and GWC does lottery, so I guess i got lucky! All it says is that I have been accepted to the program and I have to take the TEAS to be further qualified, so I have no idea if I will be starting in the Fall or Spring since GWC moved to once a year apps for both semesters (I think that's how it works anyway). I already took the TEAS, so I can just have my score sent to them. I am also retaking the TEAS on March 30. I got a 88.8% overall, and a 88.9% on the math section, which CSULB looks at specifically to score you. I also have a 3.8 pre-req GPA and a 3.44 GPA for science pre-reqs needed for CSULB. I feel like it's not competitive enough! So, I am retaking the TEAS and hopefully I will score a little higher so I can be ranked higher. I have heard both good and bad about the nursinng programs at GWC and CSULB, but seemingly only good things about Saddleback, which is my last preference because it is the farthest away (I live in Long Beach). I really want to go to a good school...who doesn't? I also feel conflicted about going into an entry-level Master's program, if I were to be accepted. I once overheard a comment that it seems ridiculous that a person can come out with a Masters and not have any work experience as a nurse under their belt (which would be me basically, unless I work part-time as a RN during the last year of the program which is not supposed to be as demanding...I do have work experience in the social services field and a short stint in management). I get nervous thinking about the EL-MSN program because it does seem so intense and I wonder if getting an ADN first and then continuing my education later seems better? However, being a CNS or NP and possibly going into adminstration is appealing to me, and getting it all done in 3 years is great considering I am restarting my career path. Anyone have any thoughts about that? Saddleback notifies around May 15. CSULB notifies around the same time I think (for EL-MSN), though there is also the interview process to go through first for CSULB. Deadline for CSULB is April 2!! Sorry for the long post! I am just excited and nervous, and I know some of you out there are in the same boat! It's nice to have others to compare/contrast info and experiences :)